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mercucio wrote:

Kain Darkwind wrote:So if you were responding to the OP rather than commenting on the current conversation, your mention still doesn't address the issue. Unless all epic creatures without SR are going to be given Shields of Deflection, which I doubt you are suggesting.

Or you are being obtuse on purpose. The ability to negate/absorb spells are part of the core SRD mechanics, found in such things as ioun stones and rods of absoption. It doesn't take much to adapt these pre-exsiting mechanics to apply to monsters (or characters) as a replacement for spell resistance. As for my specifically mentioning to custom characters, I do so to show how such abilities could statted.

Clearly you can't read and comprehend even the simplest sentences, so I'd watch who you're calling obtuse. No one is talking about other spell protection mechanics, other than you. We're talking about a wholesale removal of one of the basic defenses in the game and its repercussions.

Try to keep up before you toss out smartass comments again. Or dumbass ones.

mercucio wrote:

WarDragon wrote:Nobody's talking about replacing spell resistance. The original question was whether it could be removed, with nothing to replace it, without irreparably breaking high-level play.

Which is not true. The question is "Can Spell Resistance be Removed?". No other caveats.

Next, we have

Kain Darkwind wrote:And yet the d20 system will invariably punish such a design paradigm.

Now, if we remove SR, and the d20 system will invariably punish such an action, then alternatives must be found, correct? Or am I making a smartass/dumbass remark again?

Well, your tone is clearly that of a smartass, that's for certain. You must not have followed the conversation at all prior to its split, no? Maybe just jumped in blind and tossed out 'obtuse' comments? Seems sort of dumbassy to me. But since I know you better than that, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

To recap the history, this thread got split from a discussion about whether or not it would weaken gods (in particular Thor, but any deity or epic creature) to leave SR off of their being. Thor wouldn't be getting any shields of reflection nor the ability to bat magic back with his hammer. He'd just have high saves and immunities to carry him. Would he end up a victim of some no-save spell out there? And from him, extend it down to other epic creatures, like a primal elemental. No SR....is that going to make them big dumb victims every time they encounter PCs of their level?

That was the original issue.

For the past two days though, the discussion has just been regarding the current pricing of SR (10,000 gp per point over 12) and my suggestion of making SR items scale to HD.

mercucio wrote:Now, if we remove SR, and the d20 system will invariably punish such an action, then alternatives must be found, correct? Or am I making a smartass/dumbass remark again?

This is correct. Unfortunately, the "finding alternatives" part involves redoing probably 90% of the monsters in the game.