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The effect of Pathfinder

Postby Starsunder » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:14 am

I believe I read that DF is using the PF ruleset as its official rules. How is this effecting HotA? Are you guys waiting to see what Paizo does with demons in the bestiary coming out?

Just curious.
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Re: The effect of Pathfinder

Postby Kain Darkwind » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:34 pm

Starsunder wrote:I believe I read that DF is using the PF ruleset as its official rules. How is this effecting HotA? Are you guys waiting to see what Paizo does with demons in the bestiary coming out?

Just curious.


It affects only the mechanics. Most of the material in HotA is new, either mechanically or flavorfully. It does not require knowing what changes or new demons PF may introduce.
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Re: The effect of Pathfinder

Postby vultur10 » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:50 am

Will there be an option like the 'claims' from ALFoH to let people work on separate aspects of the project? Or since ALFoH has apparently been canceled again, is that now considered to have been a bad idea?
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Re: The effect of Pathfinder

Postby Aluroon » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:36 pm

vultur10 wrote:Will there be an option like the 'claims' from ALFoH to let people work on separate aspects of the project? Or since ALFoH has apparently been canceled again, is that now considered to have been a bad idea?


I am not officially a member of any design team at this time, but this is my take on the situation as a member who has been involved with the site for some years now.

ALFoH was not canceled; it was shelved due to a limit on the resources available at Dicefreaks at this time. Right now there are perhaps 5 active designers at Dicefreaks (and that is on the high end of the number) which places serious limits on what can be accomplished at one time, especially keeping in mind that no one here designs full time. Most people have jobs, families, and/or school to deal with which limits the amount of time they have to design. To say nothing of other hobbies they spend time on (like actually playing the game).

At some point the intent it to move ahead with it as with all projects, including Lights, the unnamed Neutrality Project, Chaos Project, and Neutral Evil Project (there were a number of names put forth for such a project, did we decide on Something Wicked this way Comes?). Whether or not such actually happens will of course depend on the amount of time that designers can devote to such things, whether the community is still alive to inspire such work, and whether others join in the design. As you may have noticed for some years we have had declining membership and participation. I remember that when I started posting there were at least five new threads every day in the epic discussion/material with new work and a similar number in the non epic discussion/material. We had dozens of very active members all contributing new ideas and material. Today we've shrunk to a fraction of that.

Regarding where or not the open project ideas for Light was considered a failure; I don't think it was, but I don't think that Horrors will have such a call to action. It has long been the policy at Dicefreaks to have projects begin very publicly and eventually become more limited in their participation as they get closer to completion, because once the ideas have been developed you don't need dozens of designers working at cross purposes (intentionally or unintentionally), and it is more difficult to coordinate two dozen designers than five (or as I hear for the most part two for Horrors at the moment).
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Re: The effect of Pathfinder

Postby Jaerom Darkwind » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:40 pm

Don't forget From the Unquiet Grave.
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Re: The effect of Pathfinder

Postby Aluroon » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:19 pm

Jaerom Darkwind wrote:Don't forget From the Unquiet Grave.


How could I forget the undead project....
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Re: The effect of Pathfinder

Postby Jaerom Darkwind » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:35 pm

Such a project won't stay dead forever. Sages speak of a day, long foretold, when Ro3 will return from the distant lands of his exile and finish his work once and for all.
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Re: The effect of Pathfinder

Postby MythMage » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:02 pm

I believe the most popular title for Neutral Evil was Depths of Despair. Also, don't forget Cornerstones of Creation, the Inner Planes project at one point handled by Nick.

While Horrors shows no sign of offering claims the way Lights did, you can always try sending a message to Palindrome if you're interested in helping. I know that if I received such interest from someone regarding Songs of the Sidhe, the project I lead, I would either offer a small assignment or ask for example of your work to prove you're capable of meaningful contribution. However, each lead designer approaches their role differently, so you'd have to indicate your interest to see what (if anything) comes of it.
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