Sabbat pack leader needs help!        Posted by:  M. C.
6/24/99    10:32 AM

As the subject heading indicates, I am playing a Sabbat pack leader. I'm not even entirely sure how it happend, except that nobody else said anything when the position was offered. My character is a Toreador Antitribu. There are four other characters in the game, and none of them really want to follow the leader, if you know what I mean.

I have only a little experience with Sabbat. So my question is this, how do I enforce the rules without coming off as a *#@ch?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!:)
 
 

Untitled        Posted by:  J. K. in response to Sabbat pack leader needs help!
6/24/99    10:47 AM

heythere
youre playing sabbat, its ok to be a *&^ch, in fact, depending on your character, it might be really appropriate. also, if they arent "following the leader", perhaps your character should try to show just why s/he is the leader. then again, it could just be group dynamics.  remember that sabbat have that bond, and try to read up on the sabbat for some ideas into the way different packs work.
j.
 

Untitled        Posted by:  K. G-S in response to Sabbat pack leader needs help!
6/24/99    10:57 AM

Honey, get out the bitch boots, cuz yer gunna need them. You're Sabbat! Why are you worrying about coming off like a bitch? :) I highly recommend a reading of The Book Of Nasty, an online guide to dirty tricks and  tips for roleplaying. The URL is
    http://www.angelfire.com/or/quentin/bookofnasty.html
A personal recommendation from the author of the site:  Sabbat elders tend to look down on Sabbat pack leaders who net bad results. If the pack won't toe the line,  give them bigger toes. (Use a hammer...or move the line)
Good luck!
K.
 

Untitled        Posted by:  C. A. in response to Sabbat pack leader needs help!
6/24/99    11:59 AM

I'm playing a pack leader too, for almost the same reason.
What I've found is:
#1 the vaulderie is a big help
#2 sometimes you have to be a *#@ch, The sabbat for the most part are a bunch of neonate punks who live by "might makes right;"the don't listedn to sweetness & light
#3 Use what you've got. I'm playing a City Gangrel, I use wolf claws and the threat therof. You're a toreador Anti -- _use_  your disciplines! Presence _works_
#4 find an ally and use them. play your enemies against each other

-L-
 

Untitled        Posted by:  D. J. in response to Sabbat pack leader needs help!
6/24/99    12:30 PM

Actually...you can't...in order to be a Sabbat leader, you HAVE to be a b*?%...it's in their nature...

GL
 

Re:  Sabbat leader        Posted by:  J. G. in response to Sabbat pack leader needs help!
6/24/99    01:44 PM

Well, as a sabbat leader, I suggest.../be/ a b*tch, really, it's expected of you. The sabbat do not respect niceness. Those on the path of honorable accord or harmony rarely become pack leaders.

There are other ways however. Get the other pack members involved. Have them gather to create new pack rituals, and then do the rituals often. Sabbat are /not/ loners, they are pack creatures, they need the pack to survive. Make sure you do the vaulderie often. I'd say at least weekly for the first little while. The pack must be cohesive. Also, give the worst rule breaker the responsibility of being pack sheriff. This will make him/her understand the rules better, and since they can't rationally break the same rules their punishing other's for breaking, it can often keep them in line. Or, if their /all/ like that, then have punishment be a group activity. When you break the rules, you harm the pack...so the pack gets to take out it's vengeance.

If you want to be quiet about it, simply find maybe a BSD or something, some ally that can't be connected with you, to be in waiting to attack a pack member who's breaking of the rules causes endangerment.
 

Untitled        Posted by:  A. M. in response to Sabbat pack leader needs help!
6/25/99    11:56 AM

Well, there are a couple of different approaches you could take. The first that comes to mind is to really get to know the other characters in the pack and figure out how to push their buttons. If you know what makes each of them tick, you'll have a much better chance of getting them to do what you want.

The Sabbat's a weird combination of personal rivalries and intense group loyalties. You might want to talk to the GM about how s/he thinks the whole vaulderie/viniculum thing works. You might be able to use that if the GM's willing to help out a little since it's supposed to create a strong tie between the individual and the rest of the Sabbat.

You'll also want to find out from the folks higher up which rules you have to enforce most strongly and if there are standardized penalties. How much leeway do you have in determining what is a punishable defense?

If you can, give the people under your character the impression that she's protecting them from the wrath of people higher up the chain of command. When stuff gets dumped on the group, be sure to tell the others about the stuff that didn't hit because your character shunted it off onto another group.

If you can find a rival pack, that might also help your position. People are more likely to work together if they're proving that they can outdo some other group.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I hope some of them work!
 

Sabbat group therapy        Posted by:  I. E. in response to Sabbat pack leader needs help!
11/17/99    09:59 PM

maybe I've been in grad school too long, but I just had an idea for what I think would be a hilarious session if you can get your GM to go along.

If the dissention in the pack is causing enough trouble that it's noticed higher up in the chain of command, someone in the command chain could order you all to group therapy (this would probably be easiest for the therapist if s/he is a vampire, but a human who could easily become someone's meal might be funny)

Alternately, you as pack leader could drag them all to therapy. Or how about one of those ropes courses designed for corprate team building?

Just an idea.

Oh, if you or anyone else, wants to use this idea, I might be able to help some with background info. That grad school I said I might have had too much of is in psychology. So contact me if you you like--a fresh response that will show up in my email in box is likely to get the quickest response. I only sign onto 6D every couple months.

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