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Belial666 wrote:Is there somewhere we can see those rules or are they only used for Horrors/Light work?

Belial666 wrote:Returning to the site after a 4-5 year absence, I just saw this build for Orcus and I got a few questions;

1) Orcus has been a fairly important Demon Prince throughout the history of DnD, perhaps one of the three most well-known (if not THE most well-known). And yet this build has him as 72 HD and only rank 14, weaker (in those areas) than any of the Lords of the Nine save Bael. What, if anything, does this mean in a comparison between LotN and Demon Princes?

2) Orcus has 2 Salient abilities that are probably common to all Demon Princes/Queens (Demonic Chasm/Demon Prince), 6 unique salient abilities and 12 normal salient abilities, for a total of 20. That's significantly more than the LotN's powers being once per 15 HD (for 5 unique powers). Do Demon Princes manage to wrest that much more cosmic power from the Abyss than is given to the LotN by Asmodeus ?

3) Orcus' spell resistance seems to be 12+total HD or 25+CR. LotN spell resistance ratings are consistently lower, despite their higher HD and CR (usually around CR+10 or CR+12, except for Asmodeus who has the ISR salient ability). Are demons more resistant to magic than devils in general?

4) Can Orcus use his SLAs, spells and epic spells during a rage? If not, doesn't he get significantly weaker when he's raging rather than stronger?

Belial666 wrote:I'd probably have used Rage Mage as part of any build aimed towards a really powerful rage monster myself. Turning both your base attack bonus and your base caster level equal to your character level while raging (and being able to use spells/powers/whatever while doing so) has always been an awesome ability because it reminded me of Wheel of Time channelers going crazy with the One Power and leveling a city or two. Orcus with the spellrage ability could get CL 86 (100 for necromancy) and attack bonus +122 with his Wand.