InterChange Transcript
Project II, Group 5, 2/2/95

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Wayne Butler:
Ok, the first thing you folks are going to need to do is figure out how you are going to share one another's texts.
You have several options:
1. You can exchange print outs if you have them.
2. You can read one another's drafts on e-mail.
3. You can exchange floppy diskettes and read the files in MS Word.
Once you have figured out how to exchange texts, take about 15 minutes or so to read one another's drafts.

Then,return to InterChange and begin a discussion of one another's drafts. Your goal is to collaboratively develop feedback for each writer that will help the writer expand, focus, structure or generally improve the draft.

Make sure you break up the time equally for each writer. You might structure your "conversation" around the following:
1. What works in the draft? What is your favorite part?
2. As a reader, what else would you like to know? Where within the draft could you as a reader use more information?
3. Given our on-line conversation the other day about "good writing," what would you say this draft needs to become a good peice of writing?
Also, the writers should feel free to ask questions. Often the writers' own questions about their drafts can help guide the feedback conversation.

Nicole Cooklin:
Kathleen, I just finished reading your rough draft, and I like what you have so far. When you read mine, keep in mind that it is not even close to being finished!!! :-)

Nicole Cooklin:
Who's paper do you want to critique first? oesn't matter to me.

Nicole Cooklin:
that is supposed to be "doesn't"

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
i finished reading yours so which ever one you want to start with is fine

Nicole Cooklin:
ok, let's do yours!!!

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
ok

Nicole Cooklin:
I think that you have a really great start with your paper. I like how you began talking about the general background of IRC, and how you decided to choose your channel. By the way, Happy New Year!

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
thank you.....my paper will probably change a lot since i had a hard time finding a channel and i'm not sure exactly what to look for

Nicole Cooklin:
Your overall setup and wording of the paper is really good, I only noticed two spelling errors, and that was only where you added an extra letter to the end of the word, like if I wrote thiss with an extra "s".

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
oh okay....i have an IBM in my room and I haven't figured out how to transfer word files to pine so i had to type right on pine....it was a pain...

Nicole Cooklin:
I think you will have to add some actual dialogue to the paper, but of course I can't imagaine that you would have that yet, considering that is still early in our observing of these virtual communities.

Wayne Butler:
Remember folks, for this first round of feedback on first drafts, we want to focus on content, focus, structure, and organization rather than sentence level concerns such as clarity, style, and correctness.

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
i thought about that but i've been having a hard time keeping up with the discussion since there are always a lot of people on . Also to have to participate and follow people is hard when you can't get a script of the session.

Nicole Cooklin:
i liked how you quoted Rheingold in your paper, I really need to do that, but I was lacking in time last night, because I went to the basketball game. :-) it sounds like you met some interesting people on #Beijing, do you usually tend to meet the same people there? Just wondering!!

Ok...I think that your content is great, I am sure that you will be adding much more as you observe more, your clarity throughout the paper is really nice, I had an easy time reading your paper, it flowed wonderfully!

Nicole Cooklin:
Your personal views on people speaking different languages on the channel was a nice addition. It was nice to read about your own personal opinions about this channel, and how people acted on it.

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
thanks...i wasn't sure how it was since i wrote it late last night I usually meet different people each night...however i have noticed how there are regulars...these are the people who talk amongst themselves and don't really talk to others on the channel

Nicole Cooklin:
oh. I'm not sure what else to tell you, because this is only a rough draft. Do you have anything specific that you want me to comment on?

Becky Rickly:
Kathleen, do you think that a *community* is formed on that channel?? How? What makes it so?

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
well, I'm still not sure exactly what the professor wants. Does he want us to use rheingold's theories and apply them to our experience or are we supposed to come up with our own?

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
Becky: I'm really not sure....I haven't been on it long enough to really get a feel for it. From what I see so far, it's like one big community made up of smaller ones.

Nicole Cooklin:
I think that we should use some of Rheingold's ideas, and apply them to our own experience, but then if none of his ideas fit your experiences, come up with your own!?!?!?

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
okay thanks...do you want to go on to your paper now?

Nicole Cooklin:
I was just about to ask you the same thing! :-) So, sure, you can start ripping my paper apart now!!! :-)

Becky Rickly:
Good question, Kathleen. You might use Rheingold, and see if he "fits"--and if he doesn't, then come up w/ a theory that does!

Becky Rickly:
Kanleen--subcommunittees--neat idea.

Becky Rickly:
Nicole, I like the way you think....;-)

Nicole Cooklin:
thanks!!!

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
I really thought your draft was interesting-contentwise. It was easy to read and kept my attention, you really found a good channel. I thought that was neat how he will be teaching a class w/o seeing his students.

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
oops, not channel I mean group

Nicole Cooklin:
I hope that this group ends up being as interesting as I am hoping. This teacher was really interesting. He was also really helpful, because he told me to stick with this group, because it supposedly has some good discussions.

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
I was just wondering...what types of people join in on this group? Does it tend to be older people or adults? I liked Mr. Corbett's comment you added at the end. :)

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
oops, I meant students not adults

Nicole Cooklin:
It seems to be mainly educators, but there were a couple of postings from students. Both were replying to other postings from teachers though.

Becky Rickly:
Nicole, I don't have your paper in front of me...can you tell me what you observed?

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
That's interesting...what do they usually talk about? Sorry to sidetrack but it sounds interesting.

Nicole Cooklin:
I am observing a UseNet group called alt.education.email-project.

Becky Rickly:
Sounds neat! Do you know who's involved?

Nicole Cooklin:
Mainly they posted on different types of teaching methods that they are thinking about, but some people ask to find things such as other students in kinddgarted through 12th grade to be e-mail penpails for their own students.

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
Wow! There are kindergardners who know how to use email?

Nicole Cooklin:
Beckey: it's mostly educators that post, but there are also others that are on too.

Nicole Cooklin:
I guess so!!! My sister that is in second grade writes me sometimes, it is amazing!!!

Becky Rickly:
So it's both information gathering AND kind of reporting? With a wide variety of participants? What an interesting sounding list!

Nicole Cooklin:
Wow, I really messed up the spelling of Kindergarden!!!

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
that is amazing how young children can use computers to do that

Wayne Butler:
Has anyone figured out how to capture transcripts of IRC sessions, yet? If so, please share your tips and techniques with the whole class on infohighway. Seems we have a lot of folks doing IRC and they might be interested in the information.

Nicole Cooklin:
Beckey: yes. One teacher at Webster University sent his sylabus to this group. I wrote him back asking him about it, and telling him about our class, and he replied twice within a half hour!!!

Wayne Butler:
Has anyone figured out how to capture transcripts of IRC sessions, yet? If so, please share your tips and techniques with the whole class on infohighway. Seems we have a lot of folks doing IRC and they might be interested in the information.

Nicole Cooklin:
Wayne, I'm not doing IRC, so I'm no help!!! :-(

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
Wayne: I'm having trouble myself trying to get a record of what was said.

Wayne Butler:
Good question, Kathleen about what I'd like you to do with Rheingold. Basically, I want you to treat your community much like Rheingold treats his. You don't have to come up with the same conclusions, of course, but you should ask the same kinds of questions. And, having read Rheingold should give you some clues into what kinds of questions to ask.

Nicole Cooklin:
That is one of the main reasons that I decided to choose a Use Net group instead of an IRC channel.

Nicole Cooklin:
Kathleen, you missed out on the discussion on the ECB, and the OWL. They will help you with your paper!

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
Is that what was discussed before I came in?

Nicole Cooklin:
yep, Dr. Butler has a hand out on the ECB. I just thought you might want to get it. You can e-mail your papers to them, and they will help you out!

Nicole Cooklin:
Time to go!!! YEA :-)

Kathleen Soo Hoo:
Thanks, I got it... :)

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