meeting notes from feb 5th
Mtg notes feb 5 2006:
We looked at/experimented with the motion tracking software patches that russ had made for digital kami – found that the software tracks a bright light source/the brightest portion of an image being recorded/fed by a live dv feed, and depending on where that bright point is it changes a looped sound sample – bottom right corner of the established grid made the sample rate extremely fast and the closer the bright spot on the image got to the camera lens, the louder the sound sample would be, he was also projecting an image of gis data of the arb which moved left, right, up and down, depending on where the subject being tracked by the camera was moving. But the movement was a tad bit choppy, we think b/c the computer was simply processing it as fast as possible. Talked about a set of patches for Isadora available called “the very nervous system’, heard about from rich pell.
Also looked at the dwg mike did of his idea for an opening web page – as well as www.kyledraws.com and www.donniedarko.com for web aesthetic research - we decided that the dwg and interface that is necessary to program mike’s idea is something a flash or java programmer will probably have to help us out with, and that we will stick with the template russ designed for the first design review and keep pushing for the more complicated programming for the final page design in april.
-also looked at the large maps of the arb that tao got from bob – the scale is estimated to be at 1 inch = 200 feet – tao will make copies of both the color and the black and white for each teram member
-we talked about power sources for a bit – miso recently emailed that they cannot lend us their solar panels. Lame. So we freaked out for about 10 minutes, then decided to go ahead and plan the conceptual thru lines and we will figure out the power sources later on. Possabily we can pull power from the outlets int eh arb, possabily we can purchase a zillion car batteries, possabily we can purchase 5 solar panels and sell them on ebay after the project is done, we don’t know – but we will figure it out later. We need to move on with the design.
-we went thru site by site and plotted out what we want the sites to do, which ones we cut and which ones are ‘maybe’ sites, or partial ideas.
Invasive species: illustrating the unseen scope of destruction by the invasives.
Notes - idea of incorporating knowledge of species into the sound/image display – we don’t want to simply tell people about what they’re looking at, but to show them the scope of the invasives that are taking over. Possabily incorporating the plaques currently marking the invasives in the arb, a user will walk by a tree, triggering a light and/or sound – which will grow to include all of the trees with that invasive on them. We will mark five types of invasives with five different lights/sounds.
Questions – how many trees will have triggers on them? If the trees don’t have plaques, then how will viewers know what they are looking at and triggering?
Discussed possible markov chain for the tree lights, when thinking of how to control the light composition
Prairie: illustrating the process of land management over time on a particular place
-embedding tvs/lcd monitors within the prairie filed and putting footage of the prairie burn on them, looped
-problems – burying tvs in the ground, will we have to have a vent system to let off the heat for them?
Shrine: showing individual beliefs about the landscape –
-not one shrine, but a shrine site –lots of small structures, with one larger structure – a big idea we all really liked was having a set of something, like a bunch of templates that were the same that the visitors to the site could make their own and leave in the shrine space, so the landscape and shrine site would increase incrementally as more people added their objects but also it gives the viewer a way to personalize the site for themselves – b/c who believes what about the landscape? Which religion would we represent? How to condense all cultures/viewers/beliefs/deities into one site? Let this site be about the users and what a shrine means to them
questions – what form will this take? Mini shrines? Rocks that visitors inscribe with their own messages and then leave in the peony field? Flags? Object/structures people donate and leave in the arb? What happens when the installation is done – do the objects get left, or do we take them with us?
huron river: making temperature and velocity changes in the river visable
strings of lights anchored within the river that changed color/frequency in response to velocity and temperature of the water changing. As in a tea light ceremony.
Problem – how does the viewer know what they are looking at? Is that ok? I would like to get a single word focus for this site.
Hidden river: make visible rivers that have been buried underground b/c they did not fit into the site plan for the arb – create a change above ground to illustrate whats below
Figure out where these hidden rivers start and end, and then run installations along their paths – elevated, to provide shade, people can walk under them too(?) –
Questions - why are these important to show, why bring them above ground? What will the installations be made out of, fabric? Too gates derivative? Metal? Plastic? Again, how will the viewer know what they’re looking at?
I think all of these changes also make the installations things that we can install and leave up for three weeks.
Also discussed GIS data, and how to interface it within these installations. Possible idea – if the gis images have a grid system embedded in them and the motion tracking device inputs also operate on a grid system, then how can we track users within a landscape and have it act as a live feed to alter/manipulate a gis image of the same landscape, perhaps online? Ask rodemer or pell about this one.
Re: meeting with bob gracie tomorrow – questions:
-are there any outlets in the arb that we can tap into?
-can we tap into outlets in the house by the peony garden?
-can we do any earthmoving – in the prairie specifically, but in the arb at all? Mention possible installation of poles, shrine structures, etc –
-when does he need a productin.fabricatin.installation schedule from us by?
-plan to open april 21st (Friday) and run for three weeks –
-is an installation that constantly emits sound a possibility?
Out door installations in the arb – who has done them before?
-housing types used?
-speakers used?
-entrances to the arb – is there a third entrance somewhere in the south?
Assignments for next week (per site)
SITE VISIT – Saturday 9am to noon (with gis camera and pos. tom brayto start quicktime vr capture?)
Prairie – carrie will figure out per scale of the new maps how many tvs we need in there and get an exact power requirement –
DURING SITE VISIT – capture with gis camera. Bring maybe some 1’ x 1’ pieces of plastic or soemthign and place them around to get a sense of whats going where.
Invasive species – carrie will keep working on the motion sensor
DURING SITE VISIT – tao and russ will get 5 dif colors flagging tape this week and we will go into the arb and tag invasives on sat.
Huron river – russ will research led lights for purchase. Carrie will plot (based on larger map scale) how far we will need to place lights along the river (mike estimates that from the school girls glenn to the train tracks is 1500 feet – 400 feet should be enough to get 200 feet above and below the stone arc
Hidden river – tao will figure out where these rivers are exactly, where they started and where they end.
All will email russ web template feedback
We looked at/experimented with the motion tracking software patches that russ had made for digital kami – found that the software tracks a bright light source/the brightest portion of an image being recorded/fed by a live dv feed, and depending on where that bright point is it changes a looped sound sample – bottom right corner of the established grid made the sample rate extremely fast and the closer the bright spot on the image got to the camera lens, the louder the sound sample would be, he was also projecting an image of gis data of the arb which moved left, right, up and down, depending on where the subject being tracked by the camera was moving. But the movement was a tad bit choppy, we think b/c the computer was simply processing it as fast as possible. Talked about a set of patches for Isadora available called “the very nervous system’, heard about from rich pell.
Also looked at the dwg mike did of his idea for an opening web page – as well as www.kyledraws.com and www.donniedarko.com for web aesthetic research - we decided that the dwg and interface that is necessary to program mike’s idea is something a flash or java programmer will probably have to help us out with, and that we will stick with the template russ designed for the first design review and keep pushing for the more complicated programming for the final page design in april.
-also looked at the large maps of the arb that tao got from bob – the scale is estimated to be at 1 inch = 200 feet – tao will make copies of both the color and the black and white for each teram member
-we talked about power sources for a bit – miso recently emailed that they cannot lend us their solar panels. Lame. So we freaked out for about 10 minutes, then decided to go ahead and plan the conceptual thru lines and we will figure out the power sources later on. Possabily we can pull power from the outlets int eh arb, possabily we can purchase a zillion car batteries, possabily we can purchase 5 solar panels and sell them on ebay after the project is done, we don’t know – but we will figure it out later. We need to move on with the design.
-we went thru site by site and plotted out what we want the sites to do, which ones we cut and which ones are ‘maybe’ sites, or partial ideas.
Invasive species: illustrating the unseen scope of destruction by the invasives.
Notes - idea of incorporating knowledge of species into the sound/image display – we don’t want to simply tell people about what they’re looking at, but to show them the scope of the invasives that are taking over. Possabily incorporating the plaques currently marking the invasives in the arb, a user will walk by a tree, triggering a light and/or sound – which will grow to include all of the trees with that invasive on them. We will mark five types of invasives with five different lights/sounds.
Questions – how many trees will have triggers on them? If the trees don’t have plaques, then how will viewers know what they are looking at and triggering?
Discussed possible markov chain for the tree lights, when thinking of how to control the light composition
Prairie: illustrating the process of land management over time on a particular place
-embedding tvs/lcd monitors within the prairie filed and putting footage of the prairie burn on them, looped
-problems – burying tvs in the ground, will we have to have a vent system to let off the heat for them?
Shrine: showing individual beliefs about the landscape –
-not one shrine, but a shrine site –lots of small structures, with one larger structure – a big idea we all really liked was having a set of something, like a bunch of templates that were the same that the visitors to the site could make their own and leave in the shrine space, so the landscape and shrine site would increase incrementally as more people added their objects but also it gives the viewer a way to personalize the site for themselves – b/c who believes what about the landscape? Which religion would we represent? How to condense all cultures/viewers/beliefs/deities into one site? Let this site be about the users and what a shrine means to them
questions – what form will this take? Mini shrines? Rocks that visitors inscribe with their own messages and then leave in the peony field? Flags? Object/structures people donate and leave in the arb? What happens when the installation is done – do the objects get left, or do we take them with us?
huron river: making temperature and velocity changes in the river visable
strings of lights anchored within the river that changed color/frequency in response to velocity and temperature of the water changing. As in a tea light ceremony.
Problem – how does the viewer know what they are looking at? Is that ok? I would like to get a single word focus for this site.
Hidden river: make visible rivers that have been buried underground b/c they did not fit into the site plan for the arb – create a change above ground to illustrate whats below
Figure out where these hidden rivers start and end, and then run installations along their paths – elevated, to provide shade, people can walk under them too(?) –
Questions - why are these important to show, why bring them above ground? What will the installations be made out of, fabric? Too gates derivative? Metal? Plastic? Again, how will the viewer know what they’re looking at?
I think all of these changes also make the installations things that we can install and leave up for three weeks.
Also discussed GIS data, and how to interface it within these installations. Possible idea – if the gis images have a grid system embedded in them and the motion tracking device inputs also operate on a grid system, then how can we track users within a landscape and have it act as a live feed to alter/manipulate a gis image of the same landscape, perhaps online? Ask rodemer or pell about this one.
Re: meeting with bob gracie tomorrow – questions:
-are there any outlets in the arb that we can tap into?
-can we tap into outlets in the house by the peony garden?
-can we do any earthmoving – in the prairie specifically, but in the arb at all? Mention possible installation of poles, shrine structures, etc –
-when does he need a productin.fabricatin.installation schedule from us by?
-plan to open april 21st (Friday) and run for three weeks –
-is an installation that constantly emits sound a possibility?
Out door installations in the arb – who has done them before?
-housing types used?
-speakers used?
-entrances to the arb – is there a third entrance somewhere in the south?
Assignments for next week (per site)
SITE VISIT – Saturday 9am to noon (with gis camera and pos. tom brayto start quicktime vr capture?)
Prairie – carrie will figure out per scale of the new maps how many tvs we need in there and get an exact power requirement –
DURING SITE VISIT – capture with gis camera. Bring maybe some 1’ x 1’ pieces of plastic or soemthign and place them around to get a sense of whats going where.
Invasive species – carrie will keep working on the motion sensor
DURING SITE VISIT – tao and russ will get 5 dif colors flagging tape this week and we will go into the arb and tag invasives on sat.
Huron river – russ will research led lights for purchase. Carrie will plot (based on larger map scale) how far we will need to place lights along the river (mike estimates that from the school girls glenn to the train tracks is 1500 feet – 400 feet should be enough to get 200 feet above and below the stone arc
Hidden river – tao will figure out where these rivers are exactly, where they started and where they end.
All will email russ web template feedback
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