BTRVETC-L Digest Volume 98 : Issue 71 30 Oct 1998 Today's Topics: Elizabeth Burnett & Missouri Burnett Re: Elizabeth Burnett & Missouri Burnett Elizabeth Burnett Williams family Williams family ReVisited CORRECTION... ReVisited Delete ReVisited Re: ReVisited Cause of Death Re-Visit Introducing Sonny Griffith Administrivia: for the Burnett/Turner/Ross/Via/Etc Mailing List (BTRVETC-L) Welcome to all our new subscribers; please send us a message to let us know what lines you are working on. :-) We became automated 19 Jan 1998, with everyone that had been on Nyla Creed DePauk's list of subscribers being subscribed to the digest, which (kind) replaces the compilations. There is also a regular list, where you receive messages one at a time. If you wish that version, unsubscribe from the digest, and subscribe to the regular list (see below). Please do not send your emails to Nyla any longer; if you do, she will send them to the list. 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Can anyone help me fill in the blanks below? That would be great. Beth in FL 3 David Williams b.July 3, 1808-d. 1890 md. Oct. 4,1831 Hillsville, VA > spouse: Elizabeth BURNETT , 1814-1895 Hillsville, VA > 4. Mary Williams b.1832 md. William Davis > 4. Clark Williams b 1833 > 4. Elisha Williams b. 1835 died age 14 > 4. Samuel Williams b. 1837-1921 > 4. Absolom Williams b. 1838-1880 > 4. Calvin Williams b. 1840- > 4. Canada Williams b. 1842-1924 > 4. Rebecca Williams b. 1844-1918 md. Azariah Lundy > 4. Hannah Williams b. 1846- 1916 > 4. Sarah Jane Williams b. 1848-1934 > 4. Carrie Elizabeth Williams b. 1850- 1914 md. Leftwich > 4. Lafayette Williams b. 1852 > 4. Charity R. Williams b. 1854 md. Franklin P. Edwards > 4. Ardena (Rhoda) Williams b.1858-1931 md. Daniel Rufus "Jackson" WILLIAMS1819 (married 1839) Hillsville, VA Spouse Jane EDWARDS 1824-1891 age 68 consumption their son Missouri Williams 1866 md.Thomas Burnett died 4/3/1895 of spasmodic fits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:20:05 -0500 From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" To: "BTRVETC-L" Subject: Re: Elizabeth Burnett & Missouri Burnett Message-ID: <00d901be01ca$8a3fa140$d3f463ce@ekirkman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I can't tell you about the Burnetts, but I hope this Williams file will give you some clues. As you can see, some of it is presumptious, but most of it was taken from public records of Patrick, Carroll, Floyd, and Montgomery Counties. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. --- Williams. We really don't know who this gentleman was, and there seems to be little evidence of Samuel other than his daughter, Rebecca's, death record. We include them together this way in order to solidify the records. The name Williams was plentiful in Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina. These men may not have been brothers at all, but were likely cousins. Other people are researching this family and it is possible we will have more information in the very near future. Children: 2. i Samuel Williams b. abt 1765. 3. ii Aaron Williams b. abt 1770. 4. iii Phillip Williams b. 1773. 5. iv James Williams b. ca 1775. 6. v William Williams b. ca 1780. Second Generation 2. Samuel Williams b. abt 1765, Virginia, m. 18-Aug-1787, in Craven, NC, Lavinia "Winey" Martin, b. ca 1770, North Carolina, d. unknown. Children: 7. i Rebecca "Becky" Williams b. 1796. 3. Aaron Williams b. abt 1770, VA, m. 25-Sep-1794, in Patrick Co., VA, Elizabeth Lee, b. abt 1779, Patrick Co., VA, (daughter of John Lee and Sarah Jane Brazill) d. Virginia. Children: 8. i John B. Williams b. abt 1795. 9. ii Joshua Williams b. abt 1802. 10. iii Caleb F. Williams b. 1808. 4. Phillip Williams b. 1773, Virginia, m. 1804, in Virginia, Jane Poag, b. 1779, Virginia, d. 1851, Floyd Co., VA. Phillip died 7-Apr-1834, Floyd Co., VA. Jane: A descendant of the family of President James Polk. Children: 11. i Joseph Williams b. Sept. 1813. ii John Williams b. 1-Sep-1817, Floyd Co., VA, d. 4-Dec-1880. 12. iii James R. Williams b. ca 1815. iv Elizabeth Williams b. 14-Aug-1801, Floyd Co., VA. 13. v Sarah Williams b. 15-Oct-1815. vi Isobel Williams. 5. James Williams b. ca 1775, Virginia, m. (1) 18-Sep-1799, in Halifax Co., VA, Sarah (Sally) Crews, b. 1780, Halifax Co., VA, (daughter of Richard (Cruise) Crews and Sarah Redman) m. (2) 12-Dec-1813, in Patrick Co., VA, Jane Reeves, b. 1795, Virginia. Children by Jane Reeves: 14. i James Williams b. 1818. 15. ii Creed T. Williams b. 1838. 6. William Williams b. ca 1780, Virginia, m. 14-Apr-1804, in Pittsylvania Co., VA, Mary Elizabeth May, b. ca 1780, Virginia?, d. unknown. Mary: Possibly the daughter of John and Susannah (Porter) May. Children: 16. i Powhatan Williams b. 1813. 17. ii Hector Williams b. ca 1815. Third Generation 7. Rebecca "Becky" Williams b. 1796, PCVA, m. 17-Dec-1822, in Patrick Co., VA, Jacob Helms, b. abt 1800, Virginia, (son of Adam Helm and Constance Webb). Rebecca died 10-Jun-1856, Patrick Co., VA. Cause of death, Dropsy. (Congestive Heart Failure). Children: i Samuel Helms b. 7-Sep-1839, Patrick Co., VA, m. 7-Mar-1861, in Patrick Co., VA, Ruth A. Handy, b. 1840, Patrick Co., VA, (daughter of James Handy and Nancy Hughes). Samuel died 8-Jun-1862, Patrick Co., VA. Cause of death: "Catarrhal Fever." ii Thomas J. Helms b. 1838, Patrick Co., VA, m. 7-Oct-1858, in Patrick Co., VA, Louisa J. Whaling, b. abt 1840. Thomas -1-  ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:30:37 -0800 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: "BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org" Subject: Elizabeth Burnett Message-ID: <3635F52D.4FB@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elizabeth Burnett was the illegimate daughter of Anna Burnett, b. 1778 Va; d. 1847. Beings you gave the birth and death dates of the Williams children, I am assuming you have their Bible Record. In there, it states that Anna never married but had 3 children: 1. Rebecca Burnett; never married but had 3 sons 2. Elisha Burnett 3. Elizabeth Burnett, b. 20 May 1814; d. 23 Oct 1895. The marriage of Elizabeth Burnett to David Williams was in Grayson Co, Va. The Bondsman was Samuel Williams. David was son of Samuel Williams Sr. and Anne Newman. Elizabeth's mother Anna Burnett gave her consent. Sorry, I can't help with Missouri Williams. June ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:29:26 EST From: NCreed1@aol.com To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Williams family Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/27/98 7:47:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, ekirkman@swva.net writes: << 4. Phillip Williams b. 1773, Virginia, m. 1804, in Virginia, Jane Poag, b. 1779, Virginia, d. 1851, Floyd Co., VA. Phillip died 7-Apr-1834, Floyd Co., VA. Jane: A descendant of the family of President James Polk. >> I found the following info on the Phillip and Jane (Poag) WILLIAMS family. Descendants of Phillip Williams 1 Phillip Williams b: 1773 d: 7 Apr 1834 +Jane Poag b: 1779 d: 1851 2 Joseph Williams b: Sep 1813 d: 1875 +Susan Huff b: 1825 d: 1902 Father: Isaac Huff Mother: Elizabeth Winfrey 3 Elizabeth Jane Williams +Edward Howery 3 Mary Williams +Elbert Young *2nd Husband of Mary Williams: +Daily Akers 3 John Franklin Williams b: 1850 d: 1888 +Martha Moore Father: Noah B Moore 4 Joseph Williams 4 Jerome Williams 4 Jesse Williams 4 Isaac Williams 4 Frank Williams 4 William Williams 4 Maude Williams 4 Peter Williams 4 John Williams 3 Jacob Og Williams b: 1856 d: 1916 +Clementine Moore Father: Noah B Moore 4 Susan Williams 4 Peter Williams 4 Luther Williams 4 Child Williams 3 James Peter Williams +Rena J Shortt Father: Asa D Shortt Mother: Sallie Graham 3 Tula Williams +Samuel Thomas Father: Pleasant Thomas Mother: Amanda Nolen 3 Isaac Phillip Williams b: 1847 d: Abt. 1914 +Bertie Robertson Father: Thomas L Robertson Mother: Perminta (Graham?) Underwood 4 Lula Williams 4 Lila Williams 4 Tom Williams 4 Child Williams 3 George Bright Williams b: 1866 d: Abt. 1920 +Iowa E Shortt Father: Asa D Shortt Mother: Sallie Graham 2 John Williams b: 1 Sep 1817 d: 4 Dec 1880 +Amanda Lemon b: 15 Jan 1828 d: 21 Feb 1906 Father: Isaac Lemon, Sr Mother: Sallie Young 3 Minerva Jane Williams +John H Cannaday Father: William A Cannaday Mother: Sarah J Shelor 4 Samuel Richard Cannaday +Annie Williams Father: Tazewell Williams 4 Ada Cannaday +Unknown Whipple 4 Dexter Peter Cannaday +Bessie Vermillion Father: Unknown Vermillion 4 Fannie May Cannaday 2 James R Williams 2 Elizabeth Williams 2 Sarah Williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:56:54 EST From: NCreed1@aol.com To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Williams family Message-ID: <5228aaf1.363722a6@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/27/98 7:47:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, ekirkman@swva.net writes: << 4. Phillip Williams b. 1773, Virginia, m. 1804, in Virginia, Jane Poag, b. 1779, Virginia, d. 1851, Floyd Co., VA. Phillip died 7-Apr-1834, Floyd Co., VA. Jane: A descendant of the family of President James Polk. >> I found the following info on the Phillip and Jane (Poag) WILLIAMS family. Descendants of Phillip Williams 1 Phillip Williams b: 1773 d: 7 Apr 1834 +Jane Poag b: 1779 d: 1851 2 Joseph Williams b: Sep 1813 d: 1875 +Susan Huff b: 1825 d: 1902 Father: Isaac Huff Mother: Elizabeth Winfrey 3 Elizabeth Jane Williams +Edward Howery 3 Mary Williams +Elbert Young *2nd Husband of Mary Williams: +Daily Akers 3 John Franklin Williams b: 1850 d: 1888 +Martha Moore Father: Noah B Moore 4 Joseph Williams 4 Jerome Williams 4 Jesse Williams 4 Isaac Williams 4 Frank Williams 4 William Williams 4 Maude Williams 4 Peter Williams 4 John Williams 3 Jacob Og Williams b: 1856 d: 1916 +Clementine Moore Father: Noah B Moore 4 Susan Williams 4 Peter Williams 4 Luther Williams 4 Child Williams 3 James Peter Williams +Rena J Shortt Father: Asa D Shortt Mother: Sallie Graham 3 Tula Williams +Samuel Thomas Father: Pleasant Thomas Mother: Amanda Nolen 3 Isaac Phillip Williams b: 1847 d: Abt. 1914 +Bertie Robertson Father: Thomas L Robertson Mother: Perminta (Graham?) Underwood 4 Lula Williams 4 Lila Williams 4 Tom Williams 4 Child Williams 3 George Bright Williams b: 1866 d: Abt. 1920 +Iowa E Shortt Father: Asa D Shortt Mother: Sallie Graham 2 John Williams b: 1 Sep 1817 d: 4 Dec 1880 +Amanda Lemon b: 15 Jan 1828 d: 21 Feb 1906 Father: Isaac Lemon, Sr Mother: Sallie Young 3 Minerva Jane Williams +John H Cannaday Father: William A Cannaday Mother: Sarah J Shelor 4 Samuel Richard Cannaday +Annie Williams Father: Tazewell Williams 4 Ada Cannaday +Unknown Whipple 4 Dexter Peter Cannaday +Bessie Vermillion Father: Unknown Vermillion 4 Fannie May Cannaday 2 James R Williams 2 Elizabeth Williams 2 Sarah Williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:30:21 -0500 From: "Mitosis" To: "Btrvetc List" Subject: ReVisited Message-ID: <000401be02db$b6a7dba0$6c0d1bd0@mitosis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shadrack1 and John1... Re-Visted An attempt to tweak the birthdate of Shadrack... and children John1 is thought to have been born in England in approx 1689. The "Caroline" record would seem to place his death about 1742/43, yeilding an approx lifespan of 54yrs... ie 1743 - 1689 = 54 The marriage date for John1 & Elizabeth Brashear (?), from Queen Ann's Parish Record, July 01, 1718. John would have been (1718 - 1689 = 29) married at 29yrs Brashear tree would indicate that Elizabeth was b. July 16, 1699 (1718 - 1699 = 19) Married at 19yrs Several DOB are offered for Shadrack1, believe 1720 to 1728 would embrace all those offered. This places John at 29yrs, and Elizabeth, 19yrs when married; John 31yrs, Elizabeth 21yrs when Shadrack was born. (Assuming the 1720 birthdate given for Shadrack is reasonably accurate) This seems to be a good fit inasmuch as first child is generally born 1/2 years after marriage With the marriage date, being only that appears to be sourced in a solid foundation, would suggest any movement of above dates must be controlled by same. And note for the record, some still question John1 as that contained in the Parrish record. Also, an additional marriage for Shadrack is suggested. Hope this accurately list all opposing views. ------ Shadrack... The birthdate of 1720, is most offered for Shadrack. I know not it's orgin. Shadrack is assumed to have been at least 16yrs in 1742, (Based on findings in Caroline record regarding assignment of orphans in 1742). Therefore as a jumping off point, have Shadrack as (1742 - 16 = 1726). 1726 would be the latest birthdate for Shadrack, that will conform to the assignment. At this point would have: Shadrack Turner, b. [1720-1726] Married Ann abt 1745 (no source for this, tradiation?) Shadrack was [19-25yrs] when married. Ann was ?? yrs Children are: John M. b.1747 d.1812 Elizabeth b.1750 d.1845 Josiah b. 1751 d.1838 William b.1753 d.1845 Mary b.1760 d.1810 Larkington b.1764 d.1825 Jeremiah b.1765 d.1830 Exony b.1771 d.1820-1830 Above dates are best available at this time to my knowledge. (Request any and all corrections to any of above) The only date we can source being William. However, would suggest birthdates of children lack creditability. We have a seven year reach between William and Mary, and six years between Jeremiah and Exony... If I suggest that Ann would not likely bear children after age of 50yrs, then it would follow that first child was born approx 1721... and the last no later than 1754? This calculation assumes Ann to be at least 16yrs at birth of Shadrack in 1720/21. It is certainly possible that "stillborn" or otherwise early death has caused additional children to go un-recorded. Two missing children for Ann have been proferred, ?? Turner born before 1763 and died before1783, and Minerva Turner... and of course these two could actually be one in the same, rather than two. I dunno. If Shadrack was married twice, it would seem that the "first" marriage would have to the one of "no record" inasmuch as Shadrack's Will names "Ann" as his wife, 1783/84. There is sufficent time frame to allow for same, but I personally don't feel comfortable with two marriages for Shadrack, and does naught to solve riddle of Shadrack's kids, as she would be even older than "Ann". Presently reviewing the DOB of Shadrack's kids... maybe there's something there that I have missed. Please share your thoughts with me... they don't have to be thoughts inscribed in stone, just anything that might be, could be, should be etc. I just need a fresh point of view, something else to consider. And certainly any and all of the above is subject to correction and encouraged... _Mitosis_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:32:27 -0500 From: "Mitosis" To: "Btrvetc List" Subject: CORRECTION... ReVisited Message-ID: <003e01be0305$e8bd6a40$370d1bd0@mitosis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems I never get it correct the first time... in my revisited posting: "There is sufficent time frame to allow for same" should read "There isn't sufficent time frame" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:13:53 -0500 From: "Mitosis" To: "Btrvetc List" Subject: Delete ReVisited Message-ID: <005001be030b$b24f0800$370d1bd0@mitosis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aaah folks... just delete "Revisited" in total. It has some many "typos" that it makes no sense at all !!! Beg your pardon, will be more careful next time. _Mitosis_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:21:08 -0500 From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" To: "BTRVETC-L" Subject: Re: ReVisited Message-ID: <000001be0343$6fd0ce40$f2ac99ce@ekirkman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shadrack Turner, et al birthdates revisited. ----------------------------------------------- I don't have any thoughts regarding the birth dates.... Without something concrete to base them on, anybody's guess is as good as mine. I gave up long ago in trying to estimate. I got new data on one family not long ago with birthdates taken from a family bible. I had to redo the entire tree. Some dates that I had were off 30-40 years. Now, I only ca a date if I have a family member's that is pretty certain. The most we can do is figure that new generation is ca 20 years after the last. Best we can do, and with the men fertile into the seventies, with several wives that we don't know about, these children's ages can range from 2 to 40. Case in point, my gr-gr-grandfather was 64 when he was widowed. He remarried a nineteen year old, and sired 3 more children. He had grandchildren in their teens when the first was born. And, think about it, these last three children were four years apart. My gr-gr-grandmother was 14 when they married, 15 when her first child was born, she was 42 when she died. Out of several births to them, only four reached adulthood. Typhoid fever nearly wiped them all out. I have copies of the Patrick County Death records from 1853-1896. If you go through them, you'll see several children in a family dying within a few days of each other from fever. I spotted more than a few families who lost all of their children. They had no defences against these deadly fevers, typhoid, diptheria, measles, and in very small children, the mumps. With children going barefoot almost year round, roundworms and hookworms took their toll. So, don't mourn for the "good old days." They weren't. Didn't mean to climb a soapbox. Cheers, everybody! Eunice B. Kirkman ***** ekirkman@swva.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:22:02 -0800 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: "BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org" Subject: Cause of Death Message-ID: <3638B24A.49B1@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some more causes of death found in death records of Wayne Co, Ky; mortality rate was high: Neck broke in a fall Struck by thunder Choked to death on 1 grain of corn Fell from horse Fell in well Smothered Kicked in head by horse Burned to death drowned Eating dirt cancer Child-bed fever Cholera Colic Consumption Consumtion with fits Convulsions diabetes Diarrea Dropsy Fever Fits Flux died of gravel (kidney stones?) Inflamation of brain, of bowels, of lungs Milk-leg murdered miscarriage nephritis old age palsy paralysis pneumonia rheumatism stabbed syphilis worms yellow fever ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:28:36 -0500 From: "Mitosis" To: "Btrvetc List" Subject: Re-Visit Message-ID: <000201be0384$39ada400$0e0d1bd0@mitosis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eunice wrote: "~ Case in point, my gr-gr-grandfather was 64 when he was widowed. He remarried a nineteen year old, and sired 3 more children. He had grandchildren in their teens when the first was born. And, think about it, these last three children were four years apart. My gr-gr-grandmother was 14 when they married, 15 when her first child was born, she was 42 when she died. Out of several births to them, only four reached adulthood. Typhoid fever nearly wiped them all out." Heavens Eunice... with Glenn's space venture and your gggrand, does this mean I might still be available? Well, me thinks it's a great ego builder, however the mirror reflects the sad state of affairs it would be for anyone to make that connection with this ole man! Still, your point is well made... can't help lifting the cornor of the rug and looking, tho I know better. The period between Shadrack & Ann's children William & Mary (abt.7yr) just bugs me. I know children are there and as stated, keep lifting that rug :=) As you noted thyoid seemed to raise havoc in SWVA in that time frame. It's gets my vote as the #1 killer in this area... Thanks for the input... _Mitosis_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:37:35 -0500 From: "Marv Griffith" To: "Btrvetc List" , "Raleigh County WV Mail-List" , "Franklin County VA Mail-List" , "Patrick County VA Mail-List" Subject: Introducing Sonny Griffith Message-ID: <01be0455$e4434e20$0100007f@esgriff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, I am new to the lists and want to introduce myself. My name is Sonny Griffith, AKA Marvin Griffith, and I am researching the Griffith, Bryant, Semones, Cochran, and Eanes lines, plus a considerable number of side families some of which are Cannaday, Hall, Ingram, Lyon, Martin, Rakes, Spencer, Thomas, Turner, Underwood, and Worsham. I have posted Outline Descendant Tree files for the Griffith, Bryant, Cochran and Eanes families plus a file listing everyone in my Family Tree Maker database on my home page at www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/r/i/Marvin-C-Griffith-jr. My biggest challenge right now is trying to find the parents of John Crafty Griffith. Any help would be appreciated with him or with any of my lines and hopefully my data will be of some benefit to some of you. Thanks. Sonny Griffith -------------------------------- End of btrvetc-d Digest V98 Issue #71 *************************************