BTRVETC-L Digest Volume 98 : Issue 33 20 May 1998 Today's Topics: MESHACK TURNER ABT. 1729 - BEF 1794 Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #32 Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31 Too Good to Be True Admin: Message Size Hoax James H. Turner, PhD Hoax Again RE: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #32 Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31 Burnett Crest and Coat of Arms Highland Games Administrivia: for the Burnett/Turner/Ross/Via/Etc Mailing List (BTRVETC-L) Welcome to all our new subscribers; please send us a message to let us know what lines you are working on. :-) We became automated 19 Jan 1998, with everyone that had been on Nyla Creed DePauk's list of subscribers being subscribed to the digest, which (kind) replaces the compilations. There is also a regular list, where you receive messages one at a time. If you wish that version, unsubscribe from the digest, and subscribe to the regular list (see below). Please do not send your emails to Nyla any longer; if you do, she will send them to the list. Please post your messages to: btrvetc-l@genealogy.org (that's a lowercase ell, not a number one.) ***** Do not send attachments or multipart MIME messages to the list! ***** ***** Send only plain text. Microsoft Outlook and Express seem to do ***** ***** this without the poster knowing. Check your configuration. ***** ***** Thanks! ***** To unsubscribe, email btrvetc-d-request@genealogy.org with the SUBJECT: UNSUBSCRIBE. To subscribe to the regular list, email btrvetc-l-request@genealogy.org with the SUBJECT: SUBSCRIBE You can also use the web page at: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/BTRVETC/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:12:04 EDT From: LDRAM2058 To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: MESHACK TURNER ABT. 1729 - BEF 1794 Message-ID: <967c8f76.355efe45@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit SOME INFORMATION THAT I FOUND ON MESHACK WHICH MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO TURNER RESEARCHERS. MESHACK TURNER ABT.1729-BEF. 1794 MESHACK AND REBEKAH WERE MEMBERS OF THE BAPTIST CHURCH. In the book 'A History of The Georgia Baptist Association 1784-1984' Meshack is mentioned on pages 455, 489 and 492 as follows: PAGE 455 'Ebenezer Baptist Church . . located in Wilkes County . . was constituted in 1787 as Ebenezer Creek according to early historian John Asplund. From the minutes 'Stephen Gafford was received into the Phillips Mill Baptist Church on February 9, 1787. On June 12, 1790, he applied to the church "to know if it is agreeable to them that he continue to preach the Gospel which was unanimously agreed to. . ." On March 10, 1792, the minutes mention a problem between Gafford and David Ellington, then a supply paster at Ebenezer: "The case between Stephen Gafford and David Ellington being taken up and debated on both sides was referred to be (unclear word) at the conference at Ebenezer next Friday and tha Jacob Merce, William Parker, MESHACK TURNER, Samuel Whatley, John Robertson and Silas Mercer be appointed as helps to attend said conference." The case is further mentioned in the October 4 and 13 conferences in 1792. At the latter conference Gafford was accused of 'publickly exposing the Brethren without dealing with them in a Gospel way and flatly contradicting himself.' This statement seems to be referring to Gafford as pastor and 'Brethren' as the Ebenezer membership. PAGE 489 Phillips Mill Church. 'This church was constituted June 10, 1785, at the home of George Lea, a charter member. A prior meeting was held at the same place on May 7 "inorer to consider what would be best for us to do in conference concluded that it would be best for us to be constituted in order to keep uo a Godly Gospel, discipline for God's glory and our happiness. Accordingly we sent for our belove brethern Sanders Walker and Pt\eter Smith." These two ministers met with 16 people on June 10, examined them, and declared them "to be a church accoring to Gospel order." The 16, recommended by letters from other churches, were: Silas Mercer, MESHACK TURNER, William Parker, George Lea, Owen Fluker, Jesse Tolbert, Doras Mercer, REBEKAH TURNER, Elizabeth Parker, Lucy Lea, Eliabeth Moncrief, Sarah Fluker, Florannah Winkfield, Ann Winkfield, Nancy Glass and Mary Leverette. This information, taken from church minutes, relates that they "had formerly been baptised upon a profession of faith and had come from different parts of the state and settled on Little River near Phillips Mill." Some accounts later relate that the church was formed in the mill. Church records do not confirm this. PAGE 492 "Some early practices of the church are worth noting. Minutes record the following on February 9, 1787: 'Chose Thos Mercer and MESHACK TURNER for Ruling Elders - George Lea and MESHACK TURNER for Deacons - their examination and ordination postponed until next meeting. Few churches had ruling elders; in early Georgia this is the only instance known when the same man was both a deacon and a ruling elder. HOPE THIS HELPS OTHERS. LADONNA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:24:51 -0700 From: Jim Fina To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #32 Message-ID: <355F0143.2F642FDE@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Color me cynical but there's a misspelling in the message (from Microsoft?) and the return address is nonexistent. Jim Fina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:09:04 -0400 From: BFBonham To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31 Message-ID: <355F19B0.7A56189C@awod.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't you people realize a SPAM SCAM when you see it. STOP SENDING THIS TO ME and REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST! Barbara Farthing Bonham ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:42:47 -0400 From: "Steven Miller" To: Subject: Too Good to Be True Message-Id: <199805171842.OAA17345@m5.columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I concur with those who believe this is spam scam. It's just another form of a chain letter, and at best it is providing e-mail addresses to people we don't want to hear from. At worst, it is sending a virus around. If it seems to good to be true, it usually is. Penny Proctor Miller ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:11:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christine E. Gaunt" To: BTRVETC-L@Genealogy.org Subject: Admin: Message Size Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Folks, Yikes, that was a large chain letter we received! And yes, it was a complete hoax. There is no way to track email like that. As one way of reducing the impact of something like this on our little list, I've reduced the maximum message size to 50K, including headers. Please, if you receive a message that urges you to forward it on, check to see if it is a hoax listed on a site such as the following: http://www.datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm http://www.umich.edu/~wwwitd/virus-busters/index.html Thanks, Chris Christine Gaunt, cgaunt@umich.edu or gaunt@genealogy.org Campbell-L and BTRVETC-L listowner Co-compiler of Genealogy Resources on the Internet Web: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/gen_int1.html File (2.4M): via autoreply from gresinet.txt@genealogy.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:54:24 -0700 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Hoax Message-ID: <355F4E80.7D84@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am extremely sorry for the problems that the Bill Gates Hoax has caused all of us. My grandson got into my email address and thought he was going to make a fast dollar, UN-BEKNOWN TO ME. He now knows the problems he has caused and the embarrassment that I am experiencing. Again, to all that received the message from my email address, I am so sorry, please forgive me. I'll keep my email under lock and key now. I did not realize how dangerous it could be to fall into the wrong hands. /s/ June ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:05:35 -0400 From: "Ann N. Hughes" To: Subject: James H. Turner, PhD Message-Id: <199805172107.RAA09918@brevard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James H. Turner, Ph.D. author of Cathell-Rangeley Turner, A Family History, died December 23, 1997, Port St. John, Brevard County, Florida. He was a good friend and an excellent historian and genealogist. We will miss him. Ann Turner Nolen Hughes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:04:05 -0700 From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com To: BTRVETC-l@genealogy.org Subject: Hoax Again Message-ID: <355F50C5.174E@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot to give you this address to check out future hoaxes. Everyone should have it: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html#billgates ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:30:02 -0500 From: "Kevin K. Stephenson" To: "'BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org'" Subject: RE: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #32 Message-ID: <01BD81E1.9F056EC0.kevin2@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys! I wanted to write and let you all know that the "Bill Gates" message was totally bogus. I work for Comp USA, and this message was discussed by Microsoft in one of our update letters as being totally false. Think about it...do ya suppose ol' Bill got to be the richest man in the world by giving stuff away? Kevin K. Stephenson 1600 Kentucky St. #2 Lawrence, Kansas 66044 (785)865-1586 Fax/Data: (785)865-2555 e-mail: kevinS@ukans.edu website: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~kevin2/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:31:10 PDT From: "Nancy Avis" To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31 Message-ID: <19980518123110.26921.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain This is fake, I received a similar message several months ago. >From btrvetc-d-request@emcee.com Sat May 16 22:53:51 1998 >Received: (qmail 24581 invoked by uid 531); 17 May 1998 05:52:10 -0000 >Date: 17 May 1998 05:52:10 -0000 >Message-ID: <19980517055210.24573.qmail@genealogy.emcee.com> >From: BTRVETC-D@genealogy.org >Subject: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31 >X-Loop: BTRVETC-D@genealogy.org >X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/31 >Precedence: list >Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" >To: BTRVETC-D@genealogy.org >Reply-To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org > >Content-Type: text/plain > >BTRVETC-L Digest Volume 98 : Issue 31 > >Today's Topics: > [Fwd: Fwd: Please Read (Keep it moving )----Get Windows 98 FREE~] > >Administrivia: >for the Burnett/Turner/Ross/Via/Etc Mailing List (BTRVETC-L) > >Welcome to all our new subscribers; please send us a message to let us >know what lines you are working on. :-) > >We became automated 19 Jan 1998, with everyone that had been on Nyla Creed >DePauk's list of subscribers being subscribed to the digest, which (kind) >replaces the compilations. There is also a regular list, where you >receive messages one at a time. If you wish that version, unsubscribe >from the digest, and subscribe to the regular list (see below). > >Please do not send your emails to Nyla any longer; if you do, she will >send them to the list. Please post your messages to: > > btrvetc-l@genealogy.org (that's a lowercase ell, not a number one.) > >***** Do not send attachments or multipart MIME messages to the list! ***** >***** Send only plain text. Microsoft Outlook and Express seem to do ***** >***** this without the poster knowing. Check your configuration. ***** >***** Thanks! ***** > >To unsubscribe, email btrvetc-d-request@genealogy.org with the >SUBJECT: UNSUBSCRIBE. > >To subscribe to the regular list, email btrvetc-l-request@genealogy.org >with the SUBJECT: SUBSCRIBE > >You can also use the web page at: > >http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/BTRVETC/index.html > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:05:21 -0500 From: "Kevin K. Stephenson" To: "'Burnett Family Newsgroup'" Subject: Burnett Crest and Coat of Arms Message-ID: <01BD82A9.3B4E19E0.kevin2@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nyla and the gang... Hi! I've spent the last few days visiting with my 98-year-old great-uncle, Milton Burnett, whose picture is on my website. We travelled around the state of Kansas visiting various Burnett gravesites and discussing the history of the family. One stop was at the Jacobs house south of Ellinwood, Kansas, built by Milton's mother's parents in 1900. The current owners invited us in for a tour, and Milton saw the house again for the first time since he stayed there for a visit, in 1904. I really enjoyed spending the time with him, and the changes he's seen in his lifetime are staggering! We also visited with some second cousins, Mr. and Mrs. William H. Burnett of Topeka, and Mr. Burnett gave me the following clipping from a 1947 magazine article. The article discusses the Burnett family, the Crest, and the Coat of Arms, and makes for some interesting reading. Enjoy it, and please let me know if you discover any inaccuracies in it! Kevin K. Stephenson 1600 Kentucky St. #2 Lawrence, Kansas 66044 (785)865-1586 Fax/Data: (785)865-2555 e-mail: kevinS@ukans.edu website: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~kevin2/homepage.html The Burnett Family Crest and Coat-of-Arms >From "Burnett Coat-of-Arms" by Mabel Louise Keech, Hobbies magazine, December 1947, Page 154. Holly leaves are in several Coats-of-Arms, crests, as well as shields. The Burnett family was granted holly leaves(a part of the Scottish Royal Arms) by Robert Bruce, for their outstanding service in helping him establish the independence of Scotland. Bruce also granted large tracts of land to "William of Irwine and Alexander Burnard", and they "were seated on the banks of the Dee". March 25, 1323, a charter was given Alexander Burnard, and because of the final location, the family was designated as "Burnetts of Leys." The spellings of the name from time to time were Burnard, Burnet, Burnate, Bornate, Bunet, and Burnett. The Coat-of-Arms, which is registered at the H erald's Office in Edinburgh, is recorded by Burke in his General Armory, as BURNETT. A later Alexander Burnet of Leys became the first "Baron of Leys", holding the title from 1454 to 1505, during the reigns of James II, III, and IV. In 1573, another Alexander Burnet was called first Baronet of Leys, and was succeeded by his son Robert, Lord Crimond. Among his sons was Gilbert, Bishop of Salisbury. Gilbert, by his second wife Maria Scot, had a son, William, who was educated at Trinity College, University of Cambridge, as a "gentleman commoner". William came to America, and was Governor of New York and New Jersey in 1720, and of Massachusetts and New Hampshire in 1728. Governor Burnet died in Boston September 19, 1729. Other descendants of the Bishop of Salisbury who came to this country were those of the South Carolina branch. Andrew was in that section in 1752. He married Sabina, daughter of the Rev. John Baxter. Allied families were Washington, Ball, Rhett, Witherspoon, Heyward, Rutledge, Whitaker, and, of course, many others... Another very early branch in this country is represented by the descendants of Thomas who settled in Lynn, Mass., and moved to Southampton, L.I., in 1643. He had a son Dan, who resided in Elizabethtown, N.J.; he had Ichabod who was educated in Edinburgh; and he had Ichabod Jr., an eminent physician, and Dr. William, surgeon-general in the Revolutionary War. Dr. William was married twice, and had a large family. Three who are written of most are Jacob, Isaac, and David, all lawyers. Dr. William was a legislator in New Jersey, and a delegate to the General Congress of 1780. During the war he established a military hospital in Newark, N.J., for the sick and wounded soldiers. Jacob was educated at Princeton College (later University), when John Witherspoon was president. He went "west" to Cincinnati when it was a small town-a few families and many bachelors. He practiced law there, and was influential in all civic affairs, and in building a larger community. Many descendants still live in that area. David Governeur Burnett, also son of William, and carrying his mother's maiden name, went "far west" to Texas. He was elected President Ad Interim of the Republic of Texas in 1836, later Vice-President, and Secretary of State. He was also elected a U.S. Senator, but was not seated. The Coat of Arms Argent three holly leaves in chief vert and a hunting horn in base sables, garnished and stringed gules. Crest: A dexter hand with a pruning knife pruning a vine tree proper. Motto: Virescit vulnere virtus. The above description of the Burnett Armorial Bearing, is registered in Burke's General Armory, and confirmed in Fairbairn's Book of Crests; also found in Scottish and American books where the Burnett family is featured. Burke records Arms for 15 different Burnett families, and only one-the Irish family-is entirely different. The 14 of Scotland, residing in different counties and cities, have slight differences. Translated into non-heraldic terms, the Coat-of-Arms is described as follows: A silver (argent) shield, in the upper part (chief) of which are three green (vert) holly leaves; and in the lower part (base), a black (sable) hunting horn with red (gules) strings and decorations. The crest is a right (dexter) hand holding a pruning knife, pruning a vine; these are all of natural color, or "proper". The holly leaves have already been mentioned as a grant from Robert Bruce, sharing with him the symbols on the Royal Arms for services to him and the country. The hunting horn is a memento of the chase, and denotes one who is fond of high pursuits, as the chase was anciently reckoned, next to war to be the most "noble employment". All fruit is symbolic of liberality, felicity, and peace; but a special design such as this crest, must have had some specific meaning to the first family, not in print. Colors are representative of the personal characteristics of the original bearer, granted only if he be worthy. Silver signifies sincerity and peace; the other colors are the natural colors of the symbols and do not carry the regular meanings of those colors. The motto is translated: "Virtue flourishes from a wound", and is used by ten other families. There are other mottos for the Burnetts as well. The information contained in this article was drawn from the following sources: The Family of Burnett of Leys from MSS of George Burnett, LLD., Lyon King of Arms, 1901. (Lyon King of Arms is the one who has charge of recording all Scottish Coats.) Scottish Arms, Stoddard, 1881. County Genealogies, Pedigrees of Berkshire, Berry. History and Antiquities of Boston, Drake. Annals of King's Chapel, pub. Boston. Early Settlers of America, Wittemore. Hall Family. Whipple, Wright, and Allied Families. Burnap-Burnet Genealogy, Henry Wyckoff Belknap. The Burnett Genealogy, Edgar A. Burnett Heraldic Journal America Heraldics, Vermont. General Armory, Burke. Book of Crests, Fairbairn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:53:26 -0400 From: Jerry Baker To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Highland Games Message-ID: <35631896.1A1@hyperaction.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All. I would like to know if anyone is going to the Glasgow Highland Games in Kentucky, and if anyone knows if there will be a Burnett tent set up. I hope to make it this will be my first game. If anyone know a answer to the questions I have asked please let me know. I hope everyone has a nice Memorial Day. -- Jerry Baker nWo 4-Life CEO nWo MotorSports Sim Racing's most winning team ever! nWo's Main Pages http://www.hyperaction.net/jbaker/ nWo Fan Club http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2320/fan_club.html R.A.P. 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