Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:43:34 -0500 From: ncreed Subject: Compilation #96 - Burnett, Turner, Ross, Via, Etc/Etc 27 March 1997 Hello to Everyone this beautiful Spring day: A special welcome to the new "cousins". If you haven't done so already, check out all our compilations on Chris Gaunt's home page. The address is: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt Several of our "cousins" have homepages. Sharon tells us about her homepage below. Check it out. I found it very helpful. Lots of links to other homepages. Have a wonderful Easter. Nyla CREED DePauk =================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:15:52 -0600 From: Sharon Crawford Reply-To: scburn1@earthlink.net To: ncreed@pop.erols.com Subject: Burnetts Homepage Nyla, Never thought about sending in info about my homepage. It is at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6432 "My Burnett Line" also you will find a link to my FTM page which has an 18 page report on "Burnetts and Related Families" with birth, death, spouse and marriage dates. Sharon Burnett Crawford -- mailto:scburn1@earthlink.net Burnett*Wright: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6432 Crawford*Gosser: http://home.earthlink.net/~scburn1/ Pontotoc Co. Oklahoma usgenweb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpontot/pontotoc.htm ***************************************************** BURNETT*WRIGHT*CRAWFORD*GOSSER*UNDERWOOD*JOHNSON*UPTON*ALLEN ***************************************************** ============================================================== Date: 22 Mar 97 11:41:14 EST From: "Philip A. Turner" <72650.74@CompuServe.COM> To: Nyla Creed Subject: Mayflower: John Turner Hi Nyla, I'm volunteering as a Mayflower expert, until a real expert comes along. :-) The Turner family that came to the Plymouth Colony in 1620 did not survive the first winter. If you remember from high school history, the first winter was one of famine and about half of the colonists perished. I have a Mayflower ancestor, Edward Doty, but my Turner ancestors came at another time and on another ship. Phil Turner ======================================================== Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 23:39:04 -0800 From: Ricky L Burnett Reply-To: ttenrubr@ptw.com To: "P. Light" CC: Nyla Creed Subject: Martha A Burnett ancestors Peggy, This is what I have found: 1.John Burnett I m. Lucretia ? 2.John Burnett II m. Amy Gatewood 3.Jeremiah Burnett Sr m. 1.Mary McDaniel 2.Rebecca Browne 4.Jeremiah Burnett II m. 2 or 3 times last wife Rosa 5.William Burnett Sr m. Elizabeth 6.William Burnett Jr m. Gartha Thompson 7.Henry Burnett m. Mary "Polly" Hall 8.Martha A Burnett never married had 4 children 9.John Burnett There is a lot more information in the Bork Books The Burnett's and their Connections. When I get more time I will send you all the information I can find. Most of the information is in the first volume. I am in the middle of purchsing a new home and moving so it may be a while before I can get you more info. Ricky Lane Burnett =========================================================== X-Sender: Pat-Chesney@hobby.easy.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:39:25 -0600 To: ncreed@pop.erols.com From: Pat-Chesney@easy.com (Pat Chesney) Subject: Mayflower Turner To help on the Mayflower question -any research on those Turners on the Mayflower - I've pasted on to this letter some copies of info I was given over last couple of years on the Turners that were on the famous Mayflower boat. The following is from Mayflower Increasings - 2nd Edition by Susan E. Roser Govenor Bradford's list of Mayflower passengers - -John Turner, and 2 sons; he had a daughter came some years after to Salem, where she was living at the time list was made. _______________ They do give the name of the town he came from before the trip, being Leyden, Holland of the Netherlands. We forgot to write down the name of the book that we got this info. out of, but will try to find it the next time we go. This is what was written: John Turner (with wife) and 2 sons came to Plymouth and are classed with the Leyden contingent. All died in the first winter, but a daughter came some years after to Salem and married there.(Bradford) Her identity has not been established. In 1592 a John Turner sold a messuage in Doncaster to William Bradforth and it is probable that the Mayflower Pilgrim was of the original Pilgrim band in 1610 emigrating to Leyden with Bradford and Brewster. John Turner, a merchant, was admitted burgess of Leyden that year. A John Turner was married at Whitechapel in 1615, where later Stephen Hopkins took a second wife. Several persons connected with the Pilgrims lived in that parish. end. This could be him if it was a second marriage. In another book it said that the children with no names given on the roster were under the age of 20. ____________________________ The part about (with wife) is wrong according to other research. _________________________ One book showed the name of his daughter (Signers of the Mayflower Compact) as Marjorie who married the first Richard Paul in 1638. They place her in Salem, Mass. This article also states the possibility that the tradition in one family is that the son or grandson of John Turner, Mayflower Pilgrim, was one of the first settlers in New Haven, Conn. His name was Nathaniel Turner. One of descendants, a first settler of Hartford, Conn.-from there John Turner also a descendant - went to Norfolk, Conn. and was one of the first settlers there about 1758. In connection with the above, there is some Pilgrim evidence in the fact that the Windsor, Conn., Browns who are supposed to descend from Peter Brown, went as was natural under such circumstances, to Hartford and Norfolk, Conn., as well, with the Turners. The author's attention was called to "Historical Collections of Grantham, England," by Edward Tunour, Grantham, southwestern part of Lincolnshire. ____________________________ Humphrey Turner had a son named Nathaniel. ______________________________ Other mention of Turner family - Humphrey Turner's son -John- John Turner (b. probably Essex, England; d. between Mar. 4, 1695 and May 20, 1697 in Scituate) married Nov. 10/12, 1645 Mary Brewster (b. Apr. 16, 1627, Plymouth; d. after Mar. 23, 1697/8 probably in Scituate _____________________ What I have learned in my research about the Turners on the Mayflower besides the above is that the Mayflower society doesn't recognize any descendants of the John Turner on the Mayflower in their society. Which I am sure many have over the years tried to get to be a part of. Perhaps with better research in the future there might be a change in that but as of right now that is still the case to my understanding. It is possible that John Turner had sons left behind in England that came over later since he had a daughter that did. But there is no known record of it at this point. Humphrey Turner arrived a few years after the famous Mayflower on another ship named mayflower and he had a son named John actually two of them. One called John the elder and one called John the younger. There are records of these Turners and their descendants. One of the John's married Mary Brewster the granddaughter of William Brewster and through her the Turners become descendants of the Mayflower people. I have the family line of governor of NC in 1803 James Turner from Humphrey down to him and his children. My ancestor William Suddarth Turner claimed kinship to Gov James Turner and descent from the Mayflower. At this point all I have been able to find is that William's cousin Rhoda Turner married a grandson Jacob Davis of James Turner the governor. And I have discovered James Turner's family line down from Humphrey and his son John that married Mary Brewster. I think it is highly probable that Humphrey was related to the John Turner on the Mayflower but there is no record of it that I know of. If it were possible to research more about how the Mayflower John's daughter came to America and with what people she was connected then possibly more could be learned about this famous Turner family. I also read that he John Turner on the Mayflower was a widow and know that those Mayflower people remarried quickly when they had young children so he probably lost his wife not long before the trip. I feel sure that his sons were under age 12 to not have their names recorded and feel sure he would not have taken a very young child under say four yrs of age without a wife or related female relative to help on such a dangerous voyage. And since children came quite regularly every two years after marriage in those days - that he had two sons with him age probably five to ten and a daughter left behind leaves room for the possiblity that there was another child or two. That's my opinion :) Terri ========================================================== From: Arlyn99@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:24:52 -0500 (EST) To: ncreed@pop.erols.com Subject: TURNER Nyla, I got directed to you by Eunice, ekirkman@swva.net, regarding my TURNER search. I am looking for anything on ancesters/descendants of: Elisha E. TURNER, born 1 Oct 1788, died 1873; one source indicated that he was the son of Zadoc(k) TURNER and (Eliza.?) MAGBY, however, another says that none of the research shows that connection, so... Elisha was married about 1815 to Rachel WHITE, born about 1790. son, Samuel White TURNER, born 13 December 1815, died 1902, married to spouse (2) before 1871, Delphia Ann FANNIN(G), born 23 February 1834, died 17 October 1928, son, Martin Luther TURNER, born 6 April 1871, died 7 November 1956, married 25 June 1894, to Rosa Lee ENSOR (questionable, as this was her mother's maiden name!), born 25 June 1878, died 22 February 1965, son, Silas Benjamin TURNER, born 27 May 1903, died 13 June 1989, married 25 October 1943 to spouse (2) Neatta Maria WELCH, born 20 March 1914, died 29 April 1996, son, Arlyn Welch TURNER, me. Eunice indicated that you have a mailing list for those looking for TURNERs and others. How do I get on this list? Is it e-mail or regular mail? I am still new to much of this, so I need all the assistance I can get! My e-mail addresses are: Arlyn99@aol.com Arlyn99@juno.com My regular mail address is: Arlyn W. Turner P O Box 2091 West Sacramento, California 95691-7091 Any information I have is readily available to those who can utilize it. Thanks, Arlyn ============================================================== To: grnacres@itouch.net, waltpat@rmii.com, Jogt@aol.com, scpls@usa.net, vicnjudy@acca.nmsu.edu, rocks@sat.net, dcagle@centuryinter.net, ncreed@erols.com, HPURGASO@ADMIN.ELCAMINO.CC.CA.US, Pat-Chesney@easy.com, jancell@micron.net, rtanker@earthlink.net, 73611.311@compuserve.com, luettakirker@earthlink.net, 66879@ef.gc.maricopa.edu, ALLAGREEN@aol.com, randis@madison.tdsnet.com, MIHODGES@ualr.edu, jsvoboda@genie.esu10.k12.ne.us, AudraeM@aol.com, dspenc@Dekalb.Net, kscott@iswt.com, clarksha@tenet.edu, dcagle@centuryinter.net, turner@infinity.ccsi.com, hubie19@constant.com, PWard@the.express-news.net, hartzell@emh1.pa.net, SGillil829@aol.com, maf04@gnofn.org, ttenrubr@ptw.com, MinaMB@juno.com, jmw01@mhs.sperry-marine.com, billiek@prodigy.com, suddethb@pobox.com, EJINKETTOH@aol.com, SMITH@ETSUADMN.ETSU.EDU, eng4@InfoAve.Net, dcturner@flash.net, pajunkin@erols.com, UVGGRAHA@ihc.com, turner@tpoint.net, bturner@ione.net, sky@pcola.gulf.net, n_turner@naturn.com, Ceteris@aol.com, RDehart118@aol.com, marfred@onlink.net Subject: FW: Your Query re Pleasants Hello all, Some information re Pleasants who married into Suddarth line. Nat Turner ---------- From: jonesc@sprynet.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 9:52 AM To: Nat Turner Subject: Re: Your Query re Pleasants Nat, Your Pleasants are related, though a different branch. They are the offspring of Richard Pleasants who married Anne Porter. Richard was son of Joseph Pleasants and grandson of John Pleasants, the emigrant. The Pleasants line I'm tracing is through Richard's older brother, Joseph who married Sarah Goode (1) and then Elizabeth Woodson. Thanks for your reply Christine On Tue, 25 Mar 97, "Nat Turner" wrote: >Hi Christine, >I picked up your query re Pleasants on GENNAM-L. You might check my website, >http://www.naturn.com, where I have a few Pleasants and Woodsons in my TURNER database. I do not have enough information to connect them to the Pleasants you list, but I would bet that they are related. My Suddarth ancestor married Margaret Pleasants in Goochland Co., VA. An extract of my only Pleasants is below: > >Descendants of Richard Pleasants > > 1 Richard Pleasants >..... 2 Margaret Patsy Pleasants >......... +William Suddarth b: 2 Feb 1745/46 in VA d: 1832 >............ 3 William H. Suddarth b: 1804 >............ 3 James W. Suddarth >............ 3 Sarah "Sally" Suddarth d: Aft Nov 1873 >................ +Robert. D. Porterfield >............ *2nd Husband of Sarah "Sally" Suddarth: >................ +W. Page >............ 3 Martha R. "Patsey" Suddarth >................ +Richard Littleford >............ 3 Richard Pleasants? Suddarth, Capt. b: ABT 1800 d: ABT Nov 1893 in Albemarle Co., VA >................ +Martha "Patsy" Monro/Morris? >................... 4 Sarah Suddarth >....................... +Henry ???? >................... 4 Jane Suddarth >....................... +John Toole b: in prob Wash. DC >................... 4 Martha Suddarth >....................... +John Mann >................... 4 William Suddarth >....................... +???? McCutchin >................... 4 James Suddarth >................... 4 LeGrand Suddarth >............ 3 Nancy Suddarth >................ +W. Diggs >............ 3 Elizabeth D. "Betsy" Suddarth >................ +Dice Detts >............ 3 Mildred Suddarth >................ +William Page >...... 2 ???? Pleasants >............ 3 John Hampden Pleasants, Esq. > >Offshoots of a number of these VA families, including several of mine, migrated to TN and KY in the lates 1700s. I am not sure whether the Pleasants are one of those families, but I would not be surprised. >By the way, as you may have guessed, I am not related to the famous Nat Turner. My Turner ancestors were all named Thomas, John, etc. until one of them married a daughter of Nathaniel Parker just before the Civil War. >Good luck in your search. >Nat Turner ============================================================== Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:10:44 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: waddie@earthlink.net To: ncreed@EROLS.COM From: "Bos'n Mate" Subject: BURNETT UPDATE #3 Hi Cuzins! Here I am again! Been VERY busy finding more cuzins than you can shake a stick at! A BIG part of it is due to the work and effort of NYLA and CHRIS! A BIG, BIG cyber-hug (((((NYLA & CHRIS))))) to them both. I think all will agree they deserve one! I have updated information on the following kin people. If you can add to, find a mistake, or have a question PLEASE email me. I have a lot more info coming soon and in greater detail. ELLIS MOORMAN BURNETT - Son of AUSTIN BANKS BURNETT AUSTIN BANKS BURNETT - Son of CHRISTOPHER AMMON BURNETT NONA BURTON BURNETT - Daughter of AUSTIN BANKS BURNETT Good hunting! Cuzin Waddie SALMON FAMILY GENEALOGY http://www.geocities/Heartland/3348/ SALMON - BURNETT - MASON - CARWILE HUDSON - SPROUSE - MINNICK - SOWELL REYNOLDS ================================================== WADDIE: Thanks for the BIG, BIG cyber-hug. It's folks like you that make this list work. Nyla ======================================================== The end of this compilation.