Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:50:31 -0500 From: NCreed@aol.com To: ahunter@freenet.vcu.edu, black@globe.com, cgaunt@umich.edu, ChickFlet@aol.com, chlamy@acpub.duke.edu, davidcon@microsoft.com, JMarieCox@aol.com, Knights5@aol.com, mlsaps@mcn.net, N4JED@aol.com, NCreed@aol.com, r.hoffman1@genie.com, ross@interramp.com, shauck@d.umn.edu, majie@sava.gulfnet.com Subject: TURNER-BURNETT-VIA-ETC/ETC Hello Cousins: Just wanted to send one more compilation before I put everything in one file to send to Chris Gaunt. Your response has really been great. Thanks so much. >From 20 Jan - 3 Feb, I'll most likely not be reading my mail. However, if you have more findings you wish to share with everyone, feel free to send them to me. I'll keep compiling the info as long as interest is shown. Would enjoy hearing your comments about the compilation. Nyla P.S. Another new name is on the list. Welcome to everyone! Subj: Where born Date: 96-01-14 20:17:51 EST From: N4JED To: NCreed Nyla, I would like to offer a suggestion as to the confusion on where John TURNER was born; Lunenberg or Halifax Co. I would say it is one and the same as Halifax officially became a county in 1752 after being formed from Lunenberg County - a process that took ?year or more? as I understand the history. With a birth year so close to '52, I would guess a researcher just wasn't careful. I keep finding this problem with Patrick and Henry Counties where people have listed births in Patrick before it was formed from Henry County in 1790. David Jones Architect n4jed@aol.com ============================================================== Subj: Civil War Ancestors Date: 96-01-14 17:37:18 EST From: N4JED To: NCreed CC: 102125.3126@compuserve.com Nyla, Received this from Mary Jo (see end) after reviewing roster of 51st. Virginia Infantry CSA she maintains. I believe this is from the military discharge papers. I went through the list and picked family names that are on our lists. Don't know if you have seen this before but you might want to put it in the next collection. BURNETT - Jeremiah - Born Patrick Co., April 24, 1842. Pvt Co D 6/14/61 Elamville; Died Floyd Co., Sept 22, 1927. BURNETT - John A. - 2 Lieut., Co D; 3 Lieut to 2 Lieut. by 12/31/62; demoted to 1st Sgt. date unknown; 1st Sgt to 2nd Lieut by 1/7/65 (note: actual date not listed, but roster dated 1/7/65 has 1st Sgt. at heading and promotion to 2nd Lieut. in remarks). POW Winchester 9/19/64 Harpers Ferry to Ft. Delaware 9/27/64; released there 6/17/65; res Patrick Co.; light complexion; light hair; blue eyes; 6'0". BURNETT - Samuel Henry - Born 8/14/46; Pvt Co E 3/27/62 Nelson C.H.; absent sick 12/20/62 to muster roll dated 4/30/63; POW Waynesboro 3/2/65; Harpers Ferry to Winchester to Ft. Del 3/12/65; released there 6/19/65; res Nelson Co.; fair complexion; brown hair; blue eyes; 5'5". Died 7/3/1927 Lynchburg; buried Old Methodist Cemetery, Lynchburg. CORN - Peter - Corp'l Co D 6/14/61 Elamville CORN - Richard - Pvt Co D 2/20/63 Giles Co. ROSS - C. P. - Pvt Co C 6/14/61 Patrick medical discharge 5/9/62 debility from measles, fever; born Patrick Co age 30, dk complexion, dk eyes, blk hair; farmer ROSS - Charles Foster - b: Patrick Co 2/9/43; 2 Lieut Co D 2/1/62 Giles Co; dropped 5/26/62 down to Pvt; died: Franklin Co. 6/26/1922 ROSS - David Lee - b: Patrick Co 1/8/31; Capt Co C; dropped 5/26/62; died: Patrick Co. 7/16/1927 ROSS - James W. - Pvt Co D 2/1/63 Giles Co; died: 7/7/64 Chimborazo Hosp of ruebella and diarrhoea ROSS - John T. - Corp'l Co D 5/1/62 Elamsville; detailed as shoemaker 11/10/62 sent to Salem, Va. POW Roanoke Co., Va 12/19/63; Atheneum Prison, Wheeling to Camp Chase 1/1/64 to Ft. Del 3/17/64; released there 6/15/65; res Patrick; lt complexion; dk hair; dk eyes; 6'0"; age 25; shoemaker ROSS - Joseph W. - Pvt Co D 2/1/63 Giles Co; killed 5/30/64 at Totopotomoy Creek ROSS - Samuel Anderson - Pvt Co C/D 6/14/61; medical discharge 5/9/62, chronic rheumatism; born Patrick Co; age 44; 5'9"; fair complexion; blue eyes; lt hair; farmer ROSS - William T. - Pvt Co D; POW Waynesboro 3/2/65; Harpers Ferry to Win. to Ft. Del 3/12/65; released there 6/21/65; res Patrick; lt complexion, dk hair, gray eyes, 5'7" VIA - Doctor Green - Born 12/6/42; Pvt Co D 6/14/61 Elamsville; died 6/2/64 Patrick Co., of typhoid. VIA - Elijah Dehart - Born 1830; 1Lieut Co H; date of appointment as 1 Lieut 5/23/62; resigned as 1 Lieut 6/4/63; POW Waynesboro 3/2/65 Harpers Ferry to Winchester to Ft. Deleware 3/12/65; released these 6/21/65; res Patrick Co; lt complexion, fair hair, blue eyes; 5'11"; died in Patrick Co. VIA - James Ellyson - Born 8/21/36 Patrick Co; Pvt Co C 6/1/61 for Serofula; age 26; ruddy complexion, lt hair, blue eyes; 5'11"; farmer VIA - James R. - Pvt Co D 6/14/61 Elamsville; medical disabilty discharge 6/6/62, general debility with phihisis pulmonalis; born Patrick Co.; age 22; fair complexion, lt hair, blue eyes; 5'7"; farmer; married Martha E. Koger and had 11 children. VIA - William Dennis - Born 9/12/38; Pvt Co D 6/14/61 Elamsville; disabilty discharge 6/17/62, general debility from the effects of fever and pneumonia; born Patrick Co.; age 23; fair complexion, lt hair, blue eyes; 5'9"; farmer; died 3/15/1915 Stuart, Va.; buried in Stuart Town cemetery. Here is the source- Mary Jo Loyd email: mjloyd@clark.net Home of my Genealogy Lines and the 51st Va. Inf. Regt. Roster http://www.clark.net/pub/mjloyd/home.html Genealogical Research Society of Northeastern Pa. Home Page http://www.clark.net/pub/mjloyd/grsnp/grsnp.html Hise Family Association http://www.clark.net/pub/mjloyd/hise.html David Jones n4jed@aol.com ================================================================= Subj: Turner Date: 95-10-19 10:52:50 EDT From: Majie A To: NCreed I saw your reply on the Message Boards to a Turner query. I have Turners in NC: Hannah Turner married Shadrack Barnes (ca1752-1844) in, I think, Rowan Co., NC. Two of her sisters, Rebecca and Rachel, married two of Shadrack's brothers. Hannah and Shadrack later moved to KY, then to MO. I find Turners living near them in MO and wonder if they might have been related. Any connection? I'm closing my AOL account. You can reach me at Mary Alley majie@sava.gulfnet.com =========================================================== Subj: Re: Turner Date: 10/21/95 To: Majie@sava.gulfnet.com Majie: You ask about Hannah Turner, Rebecca Turner, and Rachel Turner who married Shadrack Turner and two of his brothers. You think they were in Rowan Co NC, then Ky, then MO. Someone (?), many years ago, sent me some copies of pages from "TURNER NEWSLETTERs". I did not get the complete newsletter, just some pages. I suspect whomever made the original copies, just made copies of pages specifically of interest to them or its possible that the complete Newsletters were not available to them. I've looked through all the pages that I have and find nothing on Rowan or Ashe counties. I don't know what other counties to check for you. These TURNER NEWSLETTERs were published by Genealogical Reference Builders, P.O. Box 248, Post Falls, Idaho 83854. Elaine Walker was the Editor. Vol I #1 was published in September 1975. Genealogical Reference Builders published other publications. The price of the publication was $5 per year. There were 10 issues (not in June or July) according to "Notes from the Editor". I have no idea how many she published or for how long. That's been 20 years ago. So, I don't know if Ms. Walker is still living. There's a lot of information on the Patrick/Henry/Franklin Co VA Turners, which ties back to my line. Descendants of Shadrack Turner are included. Turners from New York, Georgia, Colorida, Maryland, Illinois, Kentucky, North Carolina (Bute, Warren Co), West Virginia, Massachusetts, California, Ireland, South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois, New Hampshire, Arkansas, Maine, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, England, Texas, Iowa, Indiana, and Tennessee. I don't have an index to check so it is quite time-consuming and easy to miss a specific location or name. I find a group of Turners that moved to Boone and Clinton Counties Indiana from possibly Clay Co or Hazard Co KY. Reference is made to "A HISTORY OF THE TURNER FAMILY" by William A. Roskey, published by the American Research Institute, Washington D.C. (1972). Pauline Turner Fake, 4911 Cambray, San Antonio, Texas 78229 sent a copy of the book to the Editor. The Editors says: "I do not know the cost of this book, but I do believe every Turner researcher should have one. It is hard-bound, with the Turner coat of arms on the cover." There's a page "Early Virginia Families" sent by Virginia T. Harris, 4505 Caroline, Portsmouth, VA 23707. This book by E Ruth Pyrtle; pub. Claflin Printing Co, Lincoln, Nebraska. The author obtained a copy from Inst. of Amer. Genealogy, Jan. 1956. "ANOTHER VIRGINIA FAMILY -- Turner History" mentions the Turner Family Magazine Volumes 1 and 11 in the Congressional Library. This talks about Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego Turner. Reference is made to "LEFTWICH-TURNER FAMILIES OF VIRGINIA AND THEIR CONNECTIONS" by Walter Lee Hopkins, Virginia, 1931. "THE TURNER FAMILY MAGAZINE" was published in 1916 and 1917. Maybe longer. I realize I haven't been able to help with your specific line. But I know people have been interested in preserving Turner family history for years and years. It might be worth looking for a copy of one of the books/magazines/newletters on Turners. If you live close enough to the Library of Congress or the DAR Library, you might be fortunate enough to find all of them. ================================================================ Subj: Re: Turner Date: 10/22/95 To: majie@sava.gulfnet.com I took another look at those TURNER NEWSLETTERs and realized that most of the pages were numbered. So I started sorting them and discovered I actually have Vol I (issues 1-10) of the TURNER NEWSLETTER, plus some odds and ends that didn't fit into Vol 1. Most of these odd pages relate to VA Turners and appear to be my line of Turners for the most part. The TURNER FAMILY MAGAZINE (1916-1917) appears to be complete. I roughly counted 225 pages relating to Turners. Once I put them in order (best I could anyway), I was surprised to find it was much easier to look at. There's even an index to the NEWSLETTERs. I found the following, which I think is interesting since it mentions KY and MO. "James Turner (NC and KY) Rev. Soldier" by Mrs. H. M. Roensch) James Turner b VA 21 Nov 1755 moved with father at early age to Rowan Co NC. Died Boone Co MO 20 Sep 1834. Married in NC to Jemima Wells who died in Boone Co MO. James, son of Thomas Turner PATRIOT, who signed the Oath of Allegiance, Rowan Co NC on 30 May 1778. He moved to KY and was there 'til 1817 and moved to Boone Co MO. Lists several children (which I'll provide if you'd like). One child mentioned was James who married Sally Barnes in Madison Co KY. They had 7 children (names not listed). I can't believe I've had those copies all these years and didn't realize exactly what a treasure I have. I guess I just picked out the stuff that was mine and ignored everything else. Glad to check again if you have any more specifics. Nyla ============================================================== Subj: Re: Turner Date: 95-10-23 09:29:41 EDT From: majie@sava.gulfnet.com (Mary Alley) To: NCreed@aol.com Nyla, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts those Rowan Co. Turners are mine! My Barnes line also served in the War, moved to Madison Co., KY, and then to MO--some went to Boone Co. This is very exciting! Please do send me the names of James Turner's children. Does anything you've found tie your line and this NC branch together anywhere back in VA? I have several Barnes women named Sallie, but don't show any marrying Turner men. However, my Shadrack Barnes had a couple of brothers (who also fought in the Rev. War). One of them, Elias, also married a Turner woman (Rebecca) and they moved to Madison KY. One of their daughters (also named Rebecca) married in Madison Co. It seems to me that Sallie could easily have been another of their daughters. Thank you *so* much for this great information!!! Mary Alley majie@sava.gulfnet.com ============================================================== Subj: Re: Turner Date: 95-10-25 08:59:37 EDT From: majie@sava.gulfnet.com (Mary Alley) To: NCreed@aol.com Nyla, Thanks *very* much for the Turner info. I can't begin tell you how much help you have been. I truly appreciate it. I feel confident that James was a brother of my Hannah and her known sisters, Rachel and Rebecca. There are several names among his children that are the same as Hannah named her kids: Elizabeth, Sarah, James, John, and Thomas. And since James named a dau Rebecca, that ties in as well. Also, he was exactly the right age to have been their bro; and he went to Madison Co., KY which is where Hannah (Turner) and Shadrack Barnes went first in about 1785. Hannah and Shadrack went to Howard Co., MO in 1808, but several of their children settled in Boone Co., and James Turner didn't come there until some of them were already settled in Boone. (I'm pretty sure Boone Co. is where I found Turners living very near Barneses, but the book doesn't have an index, so I haven't gone back to double check.) All that circumstantial evidence taken together tells me we are definitely on the right track. So if you run across anything else on that line, please let me know. I wish I had other clues to feed you, but except for this: Samuel Barnes married Rachel Turner in Rowan Co. on 20 Mar 1779. And, Elias Barnes married Rebecca Turner in Rowan Co. (He, like Shadrack, was a Revolutionary War soldier.) An Elias Barnes was counted in the 1790 census of Fayette, Robeson Co., North Carolina. He was on the 1810 census in Rowan Co. They eventually moved to Kentucky, where he died. They at least one daughter, Rebecca, who married William Taylor in Madison Co., Kentucky, I don't have anything else on the Turners at all. I guess we are looking for their father, Thomas, who I think you said signed the Oath of Allegiance, Rowan Co., North Carolina, on 30 May 1778. Thanks again!!! Mary Alley majie@sava.gulfnet.com ============================================================= Subj: Re: Turner Date: 10/25/95 To: majie@sava.gulfnet.com Mary: You are welcome; glad I can help. I feel like I'm meeting myself coming and going. I've been busy looking thru this Turner stuff again and find one more interesting piece of information. I will study your letter and get back to you over the weekend. Working full-time and doing genealogy full-time doesn't leave much time, if you know what I mean. I find this on-line stuff is becoming addictive. What do you make of this? John Turner Sgt in NC Regiment d 1813 Madison Co KY md Rebecca ____ Son Thomas Turner (1764-1849) b NC enlisted in Rowan Co, NC d in KY md Annie Barry. Son James Turner md Mary Jane Tribble Dau Amelia Turner md James Monroe Leer, Bourbon, KY My first thought is John and James are possibly brothers. Or could John and Thomas be brothers? Were your Barnes and Turners related prior to the three marriages of the siblings that you mentioned? The reason I ask is because of the name Shadrack. Shadrack Turner has many descendants. Nyla ================================================================= Subj: Re: Turner Date: 95-10-26 07:40:55 EDT From: majie@sava.gulfnet.com (Mary Alley) To: NCreed@aol.com Nyla, Have you met Steven Hauck, ? He's a Turner researcher who descends from Meshach Turner, the immigrant in his line. He sent me this from a note in "Old Kentucky Entries and Deeds" by Willard Rouse Jillson, 1926, pg. 366, that a Thomas TURNER received 100 acres, warrant no. 4484, on 12-4-1789 for serving three years as a soldier on the Virginia Line. I would assume that Thomas isn't my Hannah's father, since the info you sent on him said "Patriot" not "Soldier," and he was probably to old to fight anyway. But that Thomas might have been yet another son of his, don't you think? It looks to me as if the John Turner you just sent stuff on could have been a bro of either Thomas or his son John--he fits right between. He's obviously a family member. Thanks for the info on him. I don't *think* my Barnes and Turners were related earlier, but since I've seen some similar first names in both lines, I don't know. I do know my Barnes line came from Carshalton, England. Richard Barnes, of that location, had at least two sons, Richard Jr., who may have immigrated to Leonardtown, St. Mary's Co., MD; and Abraham (my ancestor), who came to St. Mary's Co., MD in about 1700. Richard may have also had a son, Charles, who also immigrated. Abraham's descendants came to NC ca1744. How does that fit with the early Turners? Mary Alley majie@sava.gulfnet.com ================================================================