Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:45:47 -0500 (EST) From: NCreed1@aol.com To: NCreed1@aol.com Subject: Comp 256 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc 10 Nov 1997 Greetings to Everyone: A big welcome to the new folks. If you haven't done so already, check out all our compilations on Chris Gaunt's home page: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt More wonderful eMails. Nyla CREED DePauk San Diego CA ==================== Subj: Turner Date: 97-11-09 14:00:29 EST From: 102255.1415@compuserve.com (Jonathan Parker) I hope you don't mind if I repost this to your list. I posted it back around comp #20 or so, and have not yet had any responses. I've read ALL of the compilations you have posted, looking for a connection to these Turners; however, I'm stalled on this branch, and would appreciate any suggestions on where to look next. -Jonathan- =========================================================== Brief Turner Family History Written by Lillie Turner Raven, b.1869 Transcribed by Jonathan M. Parker, April 21, 1996. =========================================================== The original of this document is an unsigned and undated typescript, on both sides of a single sheet of legal-size paper. There are several typing errors in the original, which are indicated as such in this transcription. Every effort has been made to adhere to the form of the original typescript. The person for whom this recollection was written is not known. There are some innaccuracies in the statements made in this document. For example, the writer's father Thomas Marion Turner is stated to have owned a stable on Market Street in San Francisco; his stable was actually located at Tenth and Howard. He is stated here as having been born in Alabama, while he always reported to census enumerators and voting registrars that he was born in Tennessee. He is stated here as having been simultaneously Chief of Police and Mayor of San Diego for many years, when in actuality he was briefly the City Marshal. There are probably many other errors as well, which will come to light as research progresses. Jonathan Parker San Diego, California email: 102255.1415@compuserve.com =========================================================== [Beginning of transcription] I do not wish my age put in the paper when I pass. Just the date of passing. I was born in San Francisco but raised in San Diego, later moving to Los Angeles. I was married in 1904 to Dr. Fred J. Raven of Wisconsin. Our daughter Elizabeth Arvilla was named after my bother [sic] and Fred's mother. My fater [sic] was Thomas Marion Turner and my mother was Elizabeth Micholson [sic] Turner. My father was born in Alabama but moved to Kentucky--later coming across the plains in a "covered wagon" during the California gold rush of 1849-50 with his parents, brothers and sister and arrived in San Francisco in 1850. His father was Col. John Turner who served with the confederate army during the war between the North and the South. The Mother's name was Sarah. She was a good old doutherner [sic]. There were five boys and one girl in the family, namely: William who was killed by the Indians while crossing the plains when the party was attacked. Robert Turner (Uncle Bob) who had a large ranch but their home was in Oakland. He was a representative at Sacramento at one time. His wife's name was Elizabeth, but was called Aunt Lizzie by the nieces and nephews. She was from the south too. They had three daughters and two sons: Florence Estell, Julia Castleton and Minnie Ainsworth, Ex and Charlie. Charlie died when quite young. Do not think Ex ever married. Benjamin (Uncle BJ) who lived in Hanford and owned the Artesia Hotel which was quite noted in those days for it had an Artesian Well in the center of the lobby. He was married twice. The first wife was named Mollie but they were divorced after a few years. Had one son named Benjamin but nicknamed Hatch. He then married Ellen. She survived him for many years and operated the hotel. Thomas Marion see later on. Alfred was the youngest son. He had a ranch but also lived in Oakland. His wife's name was Fannie. They had three daughters and a son. Emma Blake, Olive Harvey, Blanch Lobbett and the son Clarence. Olive lives in Catalina and is a C.S. Practitioner and Church Director. Blanche lives in Berkeley and as you know Emma has passed. Emma lived in Alaska, (Nome) for many years teaching school where she met Mr. Blake. She could not stand the cold and wanted to come to the U.S., but he did not want to leave his important work there as an engineer so they were divorced. Blanche and Frank's son is named Francis. He was in the army all during the second war. He is married and lives in S.L. Manager of one of the departments in one of the big dry Goods stores there. The daughter's name was Nancy Turner and she married Matt Howwell [sic] of Nevada. They lived in Oakland for many years later going to San Francisco. They had four daughters and a son: Alice, Hattie, Elizabeth, Edna, and Eugene. Alice married Dr. Morse, a successful physician of San Francisco. They had two sons and a daughter. Both sons died during the last war. The youngest enroute to the front and Douglas at his ranch at Hemet. He had a belief of Tuberculosis [sic]. Alice married Joseph B. Banning and lives in Hancock Park, Los Angeles. They have two daughters, Nancy and Katherine. Elizabeth never married. She was an Art teacher in the San Francisco high school for many years. Edna married a M. Newman. They had two children, a son Douglas and a daughter Mary. Douglas is an artist and designs Christmas cards. He lives in the East. Edna divorced Mr. Newman and she went to Italy during the World War as a correspondent for the government. She there met and married an Italian banker. I have forgotten his name. They had a son. Edna passed on eight or nine years ago. She was a C.S. too. Her daughter still lives there and also married an Italian. Eugene Howell lived in Nevada and was in the legislature there. He was married and had several children, but I do not know about them. Hattie (or Harriet) married Judge Cabinas of San Francisco. Avery [sic] popular judge. Always elected at the primaries. He was on the Bench for many years. One son George is now an attourne [sic] in San Francisco, he was a Lt. Col. during the last war. My father med [sic] my mother Elizabeth Nicholson in San Francisco after she had come around the Horn from Boston, Mass, to the Hot Springs in Alcapulca [sic] for treatment of rheumatism. But after a short stay there was entirely relieved and proceded to SF They lived in many parts of Calif, Sacramento Valley, Chico, Marysville, Napa, Santa Rosa finally returning to San Francisco, where my father engaged in the business of fine horses. (blooded horses.) He owned what is now the Civic Center of SF on Market St. A whole block where he had his stable. He sold it for ten thousand dollars (now worth ten million) and moved to San Diego, but only took three or four horses. We girls used to claim the horses, mine was Charlie, Ida's was Prince, I do not remember the others. My father was Chief of Police in San Diego for many years. There was no mayor at the time so he did double duty. He afterwards engaged in the Real Estate business, but had to retire on acct. of his health. Nellie was the oldest daughter and she was married at an early age to Rolla Palmer who was manager of the Hamilton Grocery Store in Oceanside. Ida was the next but she did not marry, preferring to go it single. She was an excellent Apt. manager and was a former secretary for Dr. Manard {Marnard} for many years. Josephine married Edwin Parker who was a Superior Judge for many years. Also served as Assemblyman in Sacramento. One son, Edwin Marion Parker became an attorney and was attorney for Coronado for some time. Mr. Parker planted the trees that are in the park opposite the Grant Hotel. They are very large now and the park has become one of the landmarks of San Diego. You know about me so there is no more to tell. Charlie married Mary Brooke, then Nellie McAnurey, and you know the rest. Two nice girls, Josephine and Virginia was [sic] born to the first union. My mothers father was John Nicholson and her Mother's name was Catherine and they came to San Francisco from Boston Mass about the time of the Gold Rush, 1849-50. They had three daughters and a son: Mary Rose and Elizabeth but I do not remember the son's name. Mary married James Burns and had several children, but I never knew their names. I do not remember who Rose married but I know that she was a crank of a houskeeper, even made her husband take off his shoes before he came in the main part of the house. His slippers were by the kitchen door. Elizabeth married Tom Turner. After my Grandfather passed (He was an Episcopalian) my grandma joined the "Dominical Sisters" a Catholic Organization. After a few years she became totally bling [sic] and Mama had her brought to our home in San Diego where she passed on after several years. She learned to go all over the house, upstairs and down all by herself, which was remarkable. That is about all I know except my mother never accepted the Catholic faith, but went with her father to the Episcopal church. Ia [sic] was a member of the Episcopal church in Hollywood. Uncle Fred, Ida Blanche and I were confirmed the same day and Elizabeth was baptized the next day and Blanche was God mother. [End of transcription] = = = = = = = = = = = = [Turner family described in Lillie Turner Raven's history] 1. John Turner & Sarah 1. William Turner 2. Robert Turner & Elizabeth 1. Florence Turner & Estell 2. Julia Turner & Castleton 3. Minnie Turner & Ainsworth 4. Ex Turner 5. Charlie Turner 3. Benjamin Turner & Mollie 1. Benjamin (Hatch) Turner 3. Benjamin Turner & Ellen 4. Thomas Marion Turner (1829-1894) & Elizabeth Nicholson (1837-1908) 1. Nellie A. Turner (1860-1899) & Rolla Palmer (1858-1890) 2. Ida Gertrude Turner (1862-) 3. Mary Josephine Turner (1865-1905) & Edwin Parker (1832-1900) 1. Edwin Marion Parker Sr. (1888-1960) & Ethel Valencia Barry (1888-1968) 4. Lillie T. Turner (1869-) & Fred J. Raven M. D. 1. Elizabeth Arvilla Raven 5. Charles A. Turner (1874-) & Mary E. Brooke (1877-1898) 1. Josephine Turner & James S. Whyte 2. Virginia Turner 5. Charles A. Turner (1874-) & Nellie McAnurey 5. Alfred Turner & Fannie 1. Emma Turner & Blake 2. Olive Turner & Harvey 3. Blanche Turner & Frank Lobbett 1. Francis Lobbett 4. Clarence Turner 6. Nancy Turner & Matt Howell 1. Alice Howell & Morse M.D. 1. ? 2. Douglas 3. Alice & Joseph B. Banning 1. Nancy Banning 2. Katherine Banning 2. Harriet (Hattie) Howell & Cabinas 3. Elizabeth Howell 4. Edna Howell & M. Newman 5. Eugene Howell [end] ======================= Jonathan: Glad you sent us another inquiry about your Turner family. Folks: Is there anyone who recognizes this Turner family? Nyla ======================= Subj: Re: Comp 242 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc Date: 97-11-09 14:26:56 EST From: Bervi Can't remember if I responded to the survey, and if I did, if AOL was up that day. If you let me know I'll respond or not as required;> Just spent a week in Henry Co. with cousin Harry Lee King Jr. who lives in the log house built ca. 1788 by Larkington (Larkin) Turner for his bride Mary Hickey. The house then (1804) passed to Rev. John Turner m Nancy Burnett. Third owner (1828) was Rev. John's nephew, Stephen and Ruth (Prillaman) Turner who are buried on hill nearby the cabin. There are Philpott and Shumate graves there also. The home passed to their daughter Martha Jane Turner (d 1935) and her husband James Alexander Turner and then to Ruth (Turner) Pearson, d/o Martha. Ruth's husband was George VanBuren Pearson. Dr. King began restoration in 1968 and just this past year finished a 30' addition that restores the dining wing of the home on it's original foundation. I took many pictures of the interior of the house. Harry Lee King is descended from Ira Hurt and George Columbus King families. Also visited early Prillaman graves and cemetery of Thomas F. Ramsey Jr (1760-1844) in Pittsylvania Co. Let me know if I did the survey Peter ======================== Peter, You did respond. Thank you. The area is piedmont VA--rolling ridges and gorges, elevation about 1000 ft. Good pasture/crop land and trees, trees, trees of every description. I'll send you a photo or two when I get a chance to scan them...I had a card that HLK had made up on the history of the house, but I can't find it just now. More at a later date. Peter ======================== Subj: Re: Rev. John Turner Homeplace Date: 97-11-10 09:38:22 EST From: Bervi To: NCreed1 Share what you choose of what I've written. I figured others would enjoy^ืrather than tracking children, tracking the inhabitants of a family home. Peter ==================== Subj: Burnett family Date: 97-11-10 06:19:04 EST From: MKelley345 To: NCreed1 Nyla, David asked about my Kelley family. I am responding to the group because, though I am not tracing the Kelley name (my husband passed away a number of years ago and we did not have any children), I am beginning to think that there may be a link between the TURNER family and my McGLASSON family. Have found several of them that married Turners in the VA and KY area. Happy hunting Margaret ===================== Subj: Re: Burnetts Date: 97-11-10 08:29:34 EST From: jbaker@buc3.barbourville.com (Jerry Baker) Reply-to: jbaker@buc3.barbourville.com To: NCreed1@aol.com Nyla I have been looking throw all the letter and I would like to know the name of the town or settlment that John Burnett came to from Scotland I have not seen it called by name and I know very little about Va. -- Jerry Baker nWo 4-Life CEO nWo MotorSports http://www.barbourville.com/~jbaker http://www.barbourville.com/~jbaker/Scottish.htm http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/6328/ ======================= Subj: Your TURNERs in MA Date: 97-11-10 08:41:51 EST From: BLACK@globe.com (TERRI x2759) To: clm59@aol.com CC: NCreed1@aol.com Thought I'd reply to the group on this one. Carolyn, I'll go poking around later this week & see if I can find anything else on your Burton Lester Turner b. Aug 1869. I just wanted to let you & everyone else on the list know that I work right across the street from the MA state archives & don't mind poking around over there on my lunch hour. They've got birth, death, & marriage records thru 1900 (some of the really old stuff is sparse, but it never hurts to look) for the state of MA. It will probably be Wed. before I get over there, as I've got to go to Home Depot today at lunch & I'm taking tomorrow off. But, I promise I'll go poking on Wed. & let you know what I find. Talk to you soon!! Terri Hardiman-Black black@globe.com ==================== Subj: Re: Comp 252 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc Date: 97-11-10 00:04:44 EST From: Meowtalker I may be too late for the survey, but here's about me..... I'm , ..... I've been doing genealogy for 10 months now. I consider myself a on my mission from God. To find out who our family was and record it for the generations that will question. I identify with an excerpt from How Green Was My Valley, by Richard Llewellyn. I'll post it to you if you want. We adopt homeless and feral kitties -- have one in labor at this moment,so it's gonna be long nite -- or nites! Between us, my husband & I have 3 children. His daughter and my son are both 27, each has a son. Our son is 23, and is gently releasing the apron strings, bless him. Both he and his father play drums professionally. Hubby now as hobby -- life gets too busy, kids needed shoes.... Our son is in a band, currently working on a great demo. I play piano, and make things -- sorta like crafting, but I never know what I'm going to make, or sew. That sort of scratches the surface......also, never had been out of St. of FL until this hubby, he was a travelling musician, it was love at 1st site, that's 24 yr old history now :) Since then, I've seen every state except Alaska, Hawaii, & WA. Saw all the the Canadian provinces in that 27 state tour all between the time our son was born and before he turned 4!! If my children considered such a life, I'd have to tell them to go for it. The experiences and bonding were worth it, and we never felt a loss of security. Home is where your family is together, period. Nuff 'bout me. Nancy ===================== Nancy: Thanks for all the information. Looking forward to hearing about your Turner family. Nyla ====================== Subj: Survey - Turner - Manery - Partin Date: 97-11-10 18:09:21 EST From: CATAULAVIC To: NCreed1 Nyla, Please include me on your Turner newsletter list for I am looking for Isica Turner probably born in Kentucky (what my Granny says no documentation) born around1850, wife unknown, daughter Elizabeth Jane Turner born around 1870 married to James Byrd Partin. Their daughter my Great Grandma, was Margaret Bell Partin born October 4, 1893 in Pineville, Ky marr to George Washington Manery born Sept. 19, 1891 in McMinn Co., Tenn. I have been reading all of your compulations, but haven't made it all the way thru yet. In response to your survey ...only just started on Turner Manery Partin --I have been working on McGlaun Bagley Austin Graves Goldsmith Kornegay Garrett Snelgrove Gibbs Culpepper Parker Green Hand Snellgrove so I've just gotten to Granny's side. I am still an and just self taught on the computer so some of this stuff I still don't understand. I have spent most of the day today reading all of this info and there sure is a lot of it. I have been working on other family names for about 2 years, but I've been fitting it in between work and life, and sometime those two get into the way of what I want to do. Any info would be greatly appreciated, and I am going to continue reading the compulations and maybe I will find what I am looking for. Thank You, Vicki McGlaun Culpepper Cataula, Georgia ====================== Vicki: Welcome. Thanks for sharing that info with us. Nyla ========================= The end of this compilation.