Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:48:34 EST From: NCreed1 To: NCreed1@aol.com Subject: Comp 246 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc 3 Nov 1997 Greetings to Everyone: If you haven't responded to the poll yet, please submit your info soon. Here are a few bits of trivia about those who have participated. Of the original 17 subscribers, 7 are still subscribing: BLACK@globe.com bonham@roots.iii.net cgaunt@umich.edu ChickFlet@aol.com davidcon@microsoft.com N4JED@aol.com NCreed@aol.com If you're one of original 17 and using a different screen name now, let me know so I can recognize you. Thanks, folks, for hanging in there with me. As of yestereday: 94 Responded 90 Not yet responded 29 females 30-50 14 males 30-50 35 females 50+ 16 males 50+ 11 Homemaker/Full-Time Mom/Houseshold Manager/Housewife/Domestic Engineer 1 Paramedic/Firefighter 4 Registered Nurses 6 Teachers 3 Admit to Doing Genealogy Full Time 3 Government employees 1 C.P.A. 2 Food Service Types 2 Computer Consultants 2 Musicians 2 Military Types 1 Practicing Genealogist 4 Professional Genealogists 52 Other categories Stayed tuned. You'll get all the info as soon as I get the responses. Nyla ===================== Subj: The Family Business Date: 97-11-02 21:31:12 EST From: Sharaim Nyla, I guess some would say that moonshining was not a good business, but however if everyone checked in to the Turners in Patrick County they will find that most all did this. Everyone had large family and tobacco , corn and hay did not pay much, their homes and land , children had to be cared for this was their way to help pay for all of this. Great uncle Clyde Turner was the one who gave the still to the Smithsonian, ( was indeed the Turner family"s.) As David stated that his mother said whom did what , all of my uncles worked the Turner stills and none of them drink. Yes, white lighting as some call would eat the paint off of your car and yes it sent some to their grave early but now you can buy it in the liquor stores. I do have a picture of the Turners in the big barn shucking corn , it was in the Roanoke Times , with my grandmother and grandfather holding my daddy when he was a baby, along with other family members . If you would like to have a copy for yourself .Or any one else I will send it to you .(It is loaded in my computer). Others make extra money digging up certain roots and selling them. Times were very hard back then, sure am glad life is easier now ! Sharon ====================== Subj: William Burnett Date: 97-11-02 23:42:47 EST From: kevin2@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Kevin K. Stephenson) To: dredmond@n2.net ('Danny Redmond') Danny-- I'm getting ready to post some new files, but I wanted to wait for the new version of the WinZip self-extractor so I could make them simpler to use. I'll be doing it sometime this week. In the meantime, I'll forward this on to Nyla and see if we get any nibbles. Stay in touch! Kevin. ====================== Subj: Unsub Date: 97-11-02 22:28:20 EST From: lea@gnat.net (Lea L. Dowd) Please unsubscribe Thanks, Lea ===================== Subj: Re: Comp 244 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc Date: 97-11-03 02:11:19 EST Reply-to: STONEFACE@prodigy.net David, That's OK I won't tell your granmother you left her out / -- Thomas F. O'Connell 1241 California Road Eastchester NY 10709-1016 E-Mail; Stoneface@prodigy.net Home Page; http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3588/ ===================== Tom: Just curious. How many pictures have you received? Nyla ===================== Date: 97-11-03 06:57:29 EST From: MKelley345 Hi Nyla, Both you and David sent me Lewis Burnett information -- unfortunately, he isn't "my" Lewis. A brief outline of my Lewis is below. Major Hoskins was my father. I do have quite a bit more information on the Hoskins but the Burnett's have illuded me for years. Hope this may ring a bell in someone's mind. Thanks and I really enjoy the compilations. Margaret ====================== Margaret: Didn't get your outline. Can you try again, please. Thanks. Glad you like the compilations. Nyla ====================== Subj: Humor David Date: 97-11-03 07:06:53 EST From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com My name is June Bork, age . I am a genealogist, 17 hours a day (3 am to 8 pm); live in Apple Valley, CA about 1 1/2 hours north of you Nyla and about 45 minutes from Ricky Lane Burnett in Lancaster. Besides writing the early court records of Wayne County, Kentucky, I hunt down BURNETTS. Many who left Patrick Co, VA, went to Wayne County. They may not be listed on the Census, etc., but I do find them on the Tax List for a year, sometimes more. ================== Subj: Re: Comp 242 - Burnett relig.denoms. Date: 97-11-03 11:56:32 EST From: CarBurCo In a message dated 97-11-02 20:51:53 EST, you write: << Interesting observation that Gerald made - I had, in fact, noticed the same thing in my Burnett line for the past 4 generations. Several of the Burnetts in my line were Baptist ministers, and all of the Burnetts I have known in my family are or have been Baptists. My curiousity has also been piqued by the fact that the quite a few of my Burnett men (direct line as well as uncles) were also carpenters and grocery store owners. Marlene Lawley [descendant of John Burnett of Aberdeen, Scotland through John Burnett of Aberdeen, Mississippi] >> Well, now, I'll just HAVE to put in my extensive METHODIST heritage here, though Methodists are known for their tolerance of other ways MY BURNETTS who came to this country from Aberdeen early as well (same people from JOHN BURNETT and AMY GATEWOOD through son JOSEPH BURNETT to TALIAFERRO BURNETT (all in Old Rappahannock /Essex Co. Va.) where they were (probably) Church of Scotland considering their politics. Others in the family were Presbyterian, as were many Scots. But surely no Baptists as they were persecuted in Va in those days. When MY BURNETTS came to TENNESSEE, there is a family Bible in which are the words ("All the Burnetts are good METHODISTS"). They settled in Rutherford and Williamson County. The Methodist tradition came down through at least FIVE generations of BURNETTS/RANSOMS/FARISES in Va>Tenn>Alabama. They wouldn't have dared "defect" with the old Methodist Circuit Riding preacher on the trail for 55 years: REV. CHARLES BLACKMON FARIS kept lots of BURNETTS in line. Do you come from the Mississippi branch that included my ggggrandmother, MARY BAUGH BURNETT who died there at an old age? Her son, BOLING CLARK BURNETT emigrated there. He was the older brother of my gggrandfather, COL. JOSEPH BOLING BURNETT who fought in the Mexican War, but never moved his home from Tennessee. HE was also a Methodist. In the "pioneer" days, most of the protestant variations were acceptable to people who could not get to a "filled pulpit" church every Sunday. That fact is the simplest explanation for the change overs that may have occured back then. Of course, they were ALL "mere dissenters" as far as the Anglican- Episcopalians in Virginia were concerned... Caroline Burnett Cook ======================= Subj: Re: Comp 242 - Burnett- Tartans Date: 97-11-03 11:56:34 EST From: CarBurCo In a message dated 97-11-02 20:51:53 EST, you write: << More importantly, where did you get the Burnett tartan and flag? I would dearly love to present something like that to my mother!! Especially the tartan! Thanks so much for any information you can give me. Marlene Lawley [LEE-LAWLEY-BURNETT] = = = = = = Mary: Be sure to let all of us know the answers to Marlene's questions. Nyla >> There is more than one Burnett Tartan. The Ancient one is green and soft orange with a sky blue pinstripe and a yellow pinstripe. (this is the one you will see in catalogues, probably). All three are "authentic" after all who will quibble with you? The modern one is a dark red with dark green and a white pinstripe; and grey or grey blue pinstripe. (I have ordered a long kilt-skirt in this tartan from THE SCOTTISH LION, address below). There is also one in beige and grey tones. This is, I believe, the hunting. Also very nice. It takes about 4 months or so to have a kilt or any other made-to-measure item, but the others can be ordered from the catalogue. THE SCOTTISH LION IMPORT SHOP, P.O. Box 1700;RTE 16; North Conway, New Hampshire 03860 Orders 1-800-355 -SCOT (7268) fax 1 603 356-9032 Customer Service 1 603 356-2942 And about the Highland Games of NC, I thought they were in HIGHLAND, NC. However, many other states have them. We have a very good gathering in Newark, Delaware and many in Pennsylvania. gud luk, Caroline Burnett Cook ========================= Caroline, Thanks for that info. Nyla ========================== Subj: survey Date: 97-11-03 13:02:20 EST From: janicesmith@erols.com Reply-to: janicesmith@erols.com I have been doing genealogy as long as I can remember. I grew up in a family that had always been interested. My great grandmother worked on genealogy and left many notes which have been used by many to work on their Carroll County genealogy. I just always knew who I was. The shock was when I started teaching school I found out that many children have no idea who even their grandparents are and that it was best left alone. I started my career as a and spent most of the last twenty five years working as a - the last five as a teacher of math of recent immigrants. Now you have a small idea as to how old I am. I am not a Turner but have followed the board as my family is from the Carroll County and Patrick County area. I am a Williams, Martin, Ingram, Helm, Witt, Conner, Goad, Webb, Handy, Dalton, Bobbitt, Chiles, etc. etc. My families interest lead to a promise by me to compile the family work into a book which turned into three on the Goads and Webbs of the area. It is not possible to do such a work without touching so many of the other families in the area. The greatest pleasure was meeting, working with, and getting to know so many wonderful people. My summer vacations have always given me the opportunity to visit "home." Janice Kinsler Smith Genealogist janicesmith@erols.com ========================= Janice: I'm curious about your Williamses. Were they from Giles County VA? Also, do you have Dickens listed in your Webb book? I'm a descendant of Thomas Dickens and Rhoda (Pennington) Dickens who were married in Patrick Co on 9 Apr 1812. Nyla ========================= Subj: Re: Hardin TURNER Date: 97-11-03 13:16:03 EST From: BLACK@globe.com (TERRI x2759) To: N4JED@aol.com CC: BLACK@globe.com, NCreed1@aol.com Hi David, Sorry it took me a couple of days to get back to you. I got busy this weekend 'climbing Mount Laundry' (we were having a small sock crisis !!). Here's what I know about Hardin TURNER: Hardin TURNER b. abt 1810 in NC (or VA depending on which federal Census listing you believe). He married Nancy GRAHAM (d/o Samuel GRAHAM) around 1853. All of their children were born in Marshall Co, TN. Their kids are Harriet TURNER b. 1-18-1864 m. John W. PIERCE Margaret F. TURNER b. abt 1859 m. William N. GRIFFIS Stephen TURNER b. abt 1860 George Hardin TURNER b. Feb 1867 John Robert TURNER b. 3-30-1869 m. Dovie Ann ANDREWS James Crawford TURNER b. abt 1872 m. Dorinda Ann PARSONS Daisy Beulah TURNER b. 8-21-1877 m. Andrew Johnson HARDIMAN (I descend from them). Hardin is enumerated in the household of Presley JONES in the 1850 Marshall Co, TN federal census. By the 1880 census he & Nancy are in Giles Co. I've also got the following land transaction info on him (thanks very much to Tony TURNER from TN!!!) In 1838 Hardin TURNER "Bought from N.C. & Matilda Jackson 63 acres on Big Harpeth Dist #23 $500. Wit Presley Jones, Richard Corbett." That was in Williamson Co, TN. In 1853 Harden TURNER "Sold to Josiah Johnson for $1,134 dist # 23 63 acres Big Harpeth River. Wit John Wilson, Chesley Williams, Asutin Waller." Again in Williamson Co, TN. I'm reasonably sure that those two are my gggrandfather, as Presley JONES witnessed the first transaction (& the second transaction is obviously the same land). Then I've got all of the following transactions involving Hardin J. TURNER in Lauderdale Co, TN: -1852 Bought from rebecca Burge of Louisana land in town of Ripley. -1852 William TURNER Sold two lots in Dunshaville to J.N WARDLACE. Wit. Hardin J. TURNER & W.M. SMITH. -1858 Robert Campbell of McCrackin Co, KY sold lots to Hardin J. TURNER & Henry L. PETTRES -1861 sold 151 acres of land to John CONNER & Mosco THOMAS. Land in trust to Cumberland College part Property of Ashport. -1866 John Barfield sold cotton crop for his debt to TURNER. -1868 bought from Joel MANN, Steam, griss, & saw mill. -1868 bought 100 acres from A.B. STRAIN on Childress Creek & Hatchie River for $500. Witness B.D. WALKER. -1869 Bought 181 acres from John H. FLOWES (land previously owned by R.L. & Ben HALLIBURTON) for $3,250. -1869 Hardin J. TURNER was executor of Edmund FITZPATRIC's estate. -1871 Bought land from John COLE, 39 acres $525. -1874 Bought 30 acres on Watsons Creek -1874 Bought from B.C. GAUSE 175 acres land Adj William TURNER. Wit. H.A. JONES, Thomas ANTHONY -1875 L.J HUNLEY sold his interest in a drug store known as Rice & HUNLEY in town Durnamville to Hardin J. TURNER. -1877 Sold to Josiah RICE 4 acres for debt owed. -1877 Sold to William TURNER 181 acres for $3,600 adj Ben HALLIBURTON's land/ -1878 Hardin J. TURNER won judgment against Andrew STEWART for $2,100 & court cost. -1878 sold to Hiram MORRIS o Childress Creek 298 acres in 3 tracks for debt owed. -1878 Emasmus G. TURNER along with Hardin J. TURNER sold 214 acres on Childress Creek for debut owed. Wit. Thomas JACKSON, Charles GREEN. -1878 Hardin J. TURNER transferred 1/2 interest in Saw Mill, Griss Mill, & Cotton Gin to Emasmus G. TURNER for debt. -1878 Emasmus G. TURNER along with Hardin J. sold land on Childress Creek for debt. -1879 William TURNER sold 68 acres to Thomas S. JACKSON. Wit. by H.J. TURNER & William D. TURNER -1879 William TURNER issued deed of trust to L.C. MOORES 150 acres. William was surity for his son H.J. TURNER -1879 William TURNER sold 113 acres to F.M. WATSON. Notes were held by Emasmus & Hardin J. TURNER. Wit. H.J. TURENR, T.S. JACKSON. Plus, there were the following 3 land transactions in Bedford Co, TN: 9-30-1853 Hardin TURNER transfers land deed to Ranson STEPHENS. 9-6-1859 Hardin TURNER transfers land deed to W.E. COLEMAN. 6-15-1859 Hardin TURNER transfers land deed to Jacob BLEDSOE. What I don't know is if Hardin J. TURNER listed in all of the Lauderdale, Co transactions is the same Hardin TURNER listed in the other transactions. Marshall, Giles, Bedford, & Williamson counties are all clumped right there together in Tn. So I could figure those might all be the same man. Lauderdale Co is there on the western edge, so I'm not even sure if there all the same man or how they're related if they're not the same. That's what I've got. Again a big thanks to Tony Turner for sending me all of that info. I appreciate you checking your data for me, David. Thought I'd send this to Nyla, as well, maybe someone else will benefit from the above. Talk to you soon (& I'll have my fingers crossed). Terri Hardiman-Black black@globe.com ======================= Subj: RE: technologically impaired question Date: 97-11-03 13:18:30 EST From: kevin2@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Kevin K. Stephenson) To: CarBurCo@aol.com ('CarBurCo@aol.com') Caroline-- I haven't converted them to the new system yet. You still have to use WinZip to "unzip" the files before you can read them. If you tried to open one using notepad, it would look like martian! I'm holding off on converting them to self-extracting format until I have the new program for that from WinZip, and until I have a chance to let a Mac user try it and make sure they can use it as well. I'll let the group know when the change has been completed. Kevin. = = = = = ---Original Message----- From: Danny Redmond Sent: Sunday, November 02, 1997 7:55 PM To: 'Kevin Stephenson' Subject: Hi Kevin! I was wondering if anyone on the Burnett group replied on the question I sent you whether anyone knew of the William Burnett that was listed on pension record of my gggg-grandfather Robert Baird? I've checked your web site a number of times to see if you've updated the comp. zipped files, but it doesn't look like it. By the way, I finally sent you a copy of the pension record on Charles L Burnett and also the military records of William W and Richard M Burnett. You should have them by Wednesday. Let me know if you get it alright. TTYL, Danny >>Danny-- >> I have 18 William Burnett's in my database, and the only one that I show >>had a connection to Tennessee is George William Burnett, son of George >>Burnett and Dorothy Hardeman, and brother of Peter Hardeman Burnett, the >>first Governor of California. Is it possible that his father's name was >>also George William, and he was the one referred to in the text you >>quote??? >>George (Sr.) was born in Pittsylvania County, VA., in 1770, and died in >>Clay County, MO. His son, George William, was born in TENNESSEE, as >>was Dorothy Hardeman. Let's see if the group has any ideas about this! ====================== Subj: Re: Comp 245 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc Date: 97-11-03 13:23:13 EST From: DollyLH Nyla, In response to the inquiry you and David are doing. I am . Have been doing research on different family lines for about 5 years now. The particular line in which I am interested in that pertains to this newsletter is the Via family. My mother was a Via. Thank you for the newsletters, I very much enjoy reading them. Thank You, Dorothy Howard ====================== Subj: Re: Survey Date: 97-11-03 13:28:22 EST From: anhughes@palmnet.net (Ann N. Hughes) Nyla, I'm using the definition of one who engages in the pursuit as a pastime and not as a profession, yet I have 27 years of experience and have taken courses. Professional genealogist is one who has passed the exam for Certified Genealogists (CG). This I have not done, nor do I aspire to doing so, at least at this point in time. So, with all this out loud thinking, I would say I am an " with training and 27 years experience." Ann ================== Subj: Re: Comp 238 - Burnett-Turner-Ross-Via-Etc/Etc Date: 97-11-03 18:35:26 EST From: MAStalling To: NCreed1 To Abinidab (you didn't leave your e-dress or I would have sent this direct) I've been researching the Turner line too and have as yet, found no connection to Shadrack, Meshack etc., so if you'd like to compare notes, give me an "e"! Cousin Michelle MAStalling@aol.com ================== Michelle: Abinidab is also on AOL. Since we're also on AOL, our eMails won't show @AOL.COM. Nyla ================= Subj: Re: William Green Turner-6715 Date: 97-11-03 19:16:05 EST From: ROMONA T Dear Nyla, Please add me to your list of subscribers. Thanks, Romona Turner Hartley ================= Romona: Welcome. Now you're official. Nyla ================== Subj: Poll information Date: 97-11-03 21:34:02 EST From: DAllen5178 To: NCreed1 I have not been on the computer for a few days but really enjoying learning about everyone. I have ancestor's on all three lines and have found so much information about them because of the great people that send in information. I live in Arizona, born in Calif. and have 30 grandchilren, not bad for an only child. Married 45 years to the same man and we're still going strong. I have show dogs, Kerry Blue Terriers and my last one came from England. ================= Subj: Re: HATCHER family Date: 97-11-03 22:07:41 EST From: N4JED To: Inabmorris CC: NCreed1 Ina, My information on the HATCHERs comes from two publications put together by the Patrick - Henry Allied Families in the late 1970's. It is my only reference for the HATCHERs at the moment though I hope to find more as I research the House of Burgesses. If you have additional info or corrections I sure would appreciate them. David Descendants of William HATCHER-388 First Generation 1. William HATCHER-388 was born 1614 in England. William came to Virginia from England in 1630. He was a member of the House of Burgesses. He had the following children: + 2 M i. Edward HATCHER-385. Second Generation 2. Edward HATCHER-385. Edward married (1) Mary WARD-386, daughter of Seth WARD-462 and Mary GOODE-461. They had the following children: + 3 F i. Susannah HATCHER-374. 4 M ii. Edward HATCHER-3104. Third Generation 3. Susannah HATCHER-374. Susannah married (1) Thomas BURTON-373. They had the following children: 5 M i. Thomas BURTON-14120 was born 1663/1664. 6 M ii. John BURTON-1846 was born 1666. John married (1) Elizabeth FOWLER-1847. 7 M iii. Isaac BURTON-14121 was born 1667/1668. 8 M iv. Abraham BURTON-14122 was born 1669. + 9 F v. Ann BURTON-372 was born about 1670 and died before 2 Oct 1736. ...END... ================= The end of this compilation.