Janet and Robert Wolfe Genealogy --- Go to Genealogy Page for Richard de Camville

Notes for Richard de Camville

Research Notes:

Moriarty states, [1]

Mr. Watson in the The Genealogist (op. cit. [n.s. XIV, 70]) cites the chronicle of Alberic, Canon of Huyon-sur-Meuse (which ends in 1241), where it is stated that Gervase, son of Count Hugh, and brother of Baldwin II, King of Jerusalem, was Archbishop of Rheims, but resigned, after the death of King Philip (1108), and returned to the world, becoming Count of Rethel on his father's death about 1118. Gervase married Elizabeth, daughter of Count Godfrey of Namur, and died in 1124. Alberic further states that Elizabeth then married Clarembald de Rosoy, who in order to disinherit her, married the only daughter of Gervase out of her country to a certain noble of Normandy named Robert Marmion. Mr. Watson says that Alberic, who wrote about a century later. was as accurate as most chroniclers. In view of this evidence, I think that the Marion-Rethel marriage may be accepted, as Alberic was a local writer and as the very unusualness of the marriage makes for the accuracy of the statement.
It must, however, be noted that Alberic does not give the name of the daughter, nor does he specify, which Robert Marmion was her husband. Robert Marmion I of Fontenaye-le-Marmion and Scrivelsby (co. Lincs.) succeeded his father Roger about 1130, when he paid his relief to have seisin of his father's lands (P. R. 31 Hen. I). Roger was holding Scrivelsby in the Lindsey Survey (1115-1118). Robert I was active in the wars of Stephen and the Empress and died in 1143-44, when he was succeeded by his son Robert II who, as above stated, died shortly before Oct. 1181. Robert I married Milicent, who after her husband's death in 1143-4 remarried Richard de Camville and had issue by both husbands. (N.C.P. VIII, pp. 505-509.)
The daughter of Count Gervase was born before 1124 and not earlier than 1108, probably a little later, about 1115-1120; she married probably about 1132-33, Robert Marmion and had Robert, who assented to his parents charter to Polesworth about 1139. For chronological reasons it would therefore, seem more likely that it was Robert Marmion I, who married the daughter of the Count of Rethel and that her name was Milicent. This is also suggested by the fact that the mother of Count of Rethel was Milicent de Montlhéry, hence if Milicent the wife of Robert Marmion I was the person involved, she would be named for her paternal grandmother.
There is positive evidence that this was the case. Kennet in his Parochial Antiquities (I, 154) cites a charter of Queen Adeliza Louvain, wife of Henry I, preserved in the Reading Chartulary, whereby she gave part of Stanton (Stanton Harcourt), co. Oxon., to Milicent, wife of Robert Marmion, "cognata mea." The gift was evidently made prior to the death of Robert Marmion I in 1143-4. After Milicent's marriage to Richard de Camville, the latter, at the request of Milicent his wife Robert Marmion her son, gave the chapel of South Leigh (then part of Stanton) to Reading Abbey (Kennet, op. cit., I, 140). Stanton passed with Isabel, daughter of Richard and Milicent, to her husband, Robert de Harcourt of Bosworth, co. Leics., as her maritagium, and from that day to this, as Stanton Harcourt it has remained in that family.

Douglas Richardson states, [2]

Richard de Camville, of Godington and Middleton (in Middleton Stoney), Oxfordshire, Avington, Berkshire, Hildersham, Cambridgeshire, Charlton Horethorne and Henstridge, Somerset, etc., Sheriff of Oxfordshire and Berkshire, 1154, Constable of Lincoln Castle, and, in right of his 2nd wife, of Stanton Harcourt and South Leigh, Oxfordshire. He married (1st) Alice (or Adelicia) _____. They had three sons, Gerard, Walter, and William, and one daughter, Maud. He married (2nd) Milicent de Rethel, widow of Robert Marmion, of Tamworth, Warwickshire (killed about 16 Sept. 1144), and daughter of Gervaise, Count of Rethel, by Elizabeth, daughter of Godefroy I, Count of Namur. She was born after 1115. They had one son, Richard, Knt., and one daughter, Isabel. Sometime before 1141 Queen Alice of Louvain, widow of King Henry I, gave to her kinswoman ["cognata"], Milicent, wife of Robert Marmion, land in Stanton Harcourt and South Leigh, Oxfordshire worth £40. In 1143 Richard granted the church of Manuden, Essex to the Priory of Hatfield Regis. In 1145-6 he witnessed a charter of Ranulph, Earl of Chester, to his wife's step-son, Robert Marmion. He was a witness to two charters confirmed by King Stephen at Northampton in 1147. In 1148 he witnessed a charter of the king at Bermondsey, Surrey. In 1150 he found a monastery of the Cistercian order at Combe, Warwickshire. In 1153 he served as a witness to the agreement made between King Stephen and Duke Henry [future King Henry II] at Wallingford. Sometime in the period, 1154-76, he witnessed a charter of King Henry II to the Knights of the Temple of Jerusalem. About Michaelmas 1156 he was granted 16 librates of land, which probably constituted the manor of Little Stretton (in King's Norton), Leicestershire. In 1158 he was with the king at Dover. In 1160 he was sent abroad with the king's austringers and falconers. About 1166 he and his brother, Roger de Camville, granted lands in Godington, Oxfordshire to Missenden Abbey, Buckinghamshire. In 1170 he granted a third part of the tithes of his lands at Hautot-l'Auvray to Jumièges Priory. In ?1176 he resigned his right in the church of Henstridge, Somerset to make it a perpetual prebend of the cathedral church of Wells, Somerset. Sometime before 1176 he granted the church of South Leigh, Oxfordshire and two yardlands to Reading Abbey, Berkshire. Richard de Camville died in 1176, while accompanying the king's daughter, Joan, on her journey to Palermo to be married to King William II of Sicily.

References:
Anselme, Hist. de la Maison Royale de France 2 (1726): 757 (sub Comtes de Namur: "Elizabeth de Namur, épousa Gervais comte de Rethel, qui du vivant de ses freres avoit été archidiacre de Reims, & nommé a l'archevêché de cette église par le roi Philippe I. du nom, lequel par son autorité l'avoit fait élire á la fin de 1106, par quelques chanoines, pendant que les autres avoient élû le prévôt de cette église. Cette élection ayant été confirmée par le pape Paschal II. Gervais avoit renoncé a son droit en 1109. It était encore archidiacre en 1112. mais sans être dans les ordres: ainsi après la mort de Manasses comte de Rethel son frere, arrivée en 1115, il avoit quitté ses benefices, & recueillant sa succession s'étoit marié a Elizabeth de Namur, qui en resta veuve in 1124. Elle se maria á Roger, dit Clerembault en quelques titres, seigneur de Rosoy en Thierasche.").
Lewis, Topog. Dict. of England (1848): 186-192. Eyton, Court, Household & Itinerary of Henry II (1878): 204.
Blomfield, Hist. of Middleton & Somerton (1888): 10-12 (biog. of Richard de Camville), 15 (Camville ped.).
Round, Feudal England (1895): 190-195.
Saige, Cartulaire de la seigneurie de Fontenay le Marmion (1895): xviii-xix ("Robert Marmion .... fit dans le territoire de cette seigneurie une donation au monastère de Sainte Edith de Polesworth. Plus tard, d'accord avec sa femme Melissent, it donnait le bourg de Butegate, près de Bardney (comté de Lincoln), aux moines de Bardney."), xx ("... en 1148, guerroyant en Angleterre contre le duc de Chester, il [Robert Marmion] fut tué á Coventry. Il avait dut époser en 1117, d'après la chronique d'Albéric de Trois-Fontaines, la fille du comte Gervais de Rethel et d'Elisabeth de Namur ...").
Cal. of the MSS of the Dean & Chapter of Wells 1 (Hist. MSS. Comm., vol. 12B(1)) (1907): 20-23.
VCH Essex 2 (1907): 107-110.
D.N.B. 12 (1909): 1075-1076 (biog. of Robert Marmion [d. 1218]).
VCH Berkshire 4 (1924): 158-162. Jenkins, Cartulary of Missenden 1(Buckinghamshire Arch. Soc. 2) (1938): 17.
Loyd, Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Fams. (H.S.P. 103) (1951): 24.
VCH Warwick 6 (1951): 72-74.
VCH Oxford 6 (1959): 146-152, 243-251; 12 (1990): 249-252, 274-281.
VCH Leicester 5 (1964): 256-264.
English Hist. Rev. 86 (1971): 533-545.
VCH Cambridge 6 (1978): 59-69.
Cross, Early Recs. of Medieval Coventry (Recs. of Social & Economic Hist. n.s. 11) (1986): 8-9.
Davis, From Alfred the Great to Stephen (1991).
Franklin, English Episcopal Acta 14 (1997): 25-26, 48-49.
VCH Somerset 7 (1999): 84-93, 108-119.

Keats-Rohan states, [3]

de Camvilla, Richardus
From Camville-les-eux-Eglises, Seine-Maritime, arr. Yvetot, cant. Doudeville, occurs on the 1129 Pipe Roll. His mother was a daughter of Alberic de Vere (cf. Rot. de Dom. 84 and note; Comp. Peer. x, App.. J. n. j) as may be inferred from the descent of his Domesday manor of Hildersham as the marriage portion of Matilda de Ros, daughter of Richard; Matilda granted land there to Clerkenwell priory, c. 1190 when her daughter Beatrice became a nun and the grant was confirmed by Alberic III de Ver (Cart. Clerkenwell, 24-26). He had a brother Roger (q.v.) who occurs with him in a charter of 1154 (Arch. dépt. Seine-Maritime 9H4 p. 198 no. 336). The grant of Richard de Camville of land in the fee of Ingelran de Vassy was confirmed to Troarn after 1115 (Troarn, no. iv). He was twice married, first to Alice (BL Add. Ch. 28324) and secondly to Milisent, widow of Robert Marmion of Tamworth (d. 1143-44), a kinswoman of Queen Adelicia. His charter for Jumièges granting land at Hautot-l'Auvray mentioned both wives (Vernier, Chartes de Jumièges ii, 1). Founder of the Cistercian abbey of Combe, Warwickshire. He had issue his successor Gerard (d. 1214), Richard II (D. 1224), and a daughter Matilda (b. c. 1145), wife of William de Ros (Rot. de Dom., 84). His death in 1176 occurred in Sicily, where he was one of those who negotiated the marriage of Henry II's daughter Joan to William king of Scicily. Cf. Loyd, 24.


Footnotes:

[1] G. Andrews Moriarty, "The Wife of Robert Marmion," The American Genealogist 20 (1943), 255-256, at 255-256, [AmericanAncestors].

[2] Newsgroup Post, soc.genealogy.medieval, Douglas Richardson, Janury 9, 2016, [GoogleGroups_SGM].

[3] K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of persons occurring in English documents, 1066-1166: II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell Press, 2002), 378.