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Notes for Luke de Poynings and Isabel de St. John

1393 Isabel de St. John died on October 16. Her Inquisition Post Mortem states, [1]

Isabel late the wife of Luke de Ponynges, knight
Writ, 3 November, 17 Richard II
389 Hertford. Inq. (indented) taken at Bundyngford, 12 January, 17 Richard II.
She held no lands etc. in the county; but the under-mentioned knights' fees were held of her, as of the manor of Basynges, Hants, held of the king in chief, which manor she held for life by gift and grant of Stephen Pechard, William Calwe, William Mundy and Henry Proud [footnote: Called clerks in the next inquisition] made with the king's licence, with remainder to Thomas de Ponynges, knight, her son, and Joan his wife, both still living, and the heirs of the body of the said Thomas.
Clothale. One knight's fee, held by Henry Bottele; and one knight's fee, held by John Borewelle and Amy his wife.
Aspedene and Bokelond. A moiety of a knight's fee, held by John Serjaunt, Roger Baldewen, Richard … Hell, John Roger, John Fenton and the prior of Roiston.
She died on 16 October last. The above-mentioned Thomas de Ponynges, knight, aged 30 years and more, is her son and heir.

Writ, 3 November, 17 Richard II
390 Berks. Inq. (indented) taken at Aston, Tuesday after the Conception, 17 Richard II.
She held no lands etc. in the county; but the under-mentioned knights' fees were held of her, as of the manor of Basynges, which manor she held for life as above (Hertford inquisition).
Sotwell. A moiety of a knight's fee, held by Ralph de Stonore.
Shifford. A moiety of a knight's fee, held by Alice late the wife of John Kentwode, knight.
Date of death and heir as above.

Writ, 3 November, 17 Richard II
391 Cambridge. Inq. taken at Cambridge, Tuesday in the octave of Hilary, 17 Richard II.
She held the under-mentioned knight's fee in her demesne as of fee of the king in chief.
Snaylwell. One knight's fee, held by Thomas Hemgrave.
She held no other lands, rents or services in the county.
Date of death and heir as above.

Writ, 3 November, 17 Richard II
392 Warwick. Inq. taken at Coventre, Friday before St Lucy, 17 Richard II.
She held no lands etc. in the county; but the under-mentioned knight's fee was held of her, as of the manor of Basynges, which manor she held for life as above (Hertford inquisition).
Bulton on Dunsmore. One knight's fee, held at the time of her death by Lawrence Trussell and Maud his wife, and formerly by Giles de Charnelles.
She died on 17 October last. Heir as above.

Writ, 19 October, 17 Richard II
393 Kent. Inq. taken at Erde, Monday before St Edmund the King, 17 Richard II.
She held no lands etc. in the county; but the under-mentioned knights' fees and parts of fees were held of her, as of the manor of Basynges, which manors she held for life as above (Hertford inquisition).
Betleshangre. One knight's fee, held by William Sutton.
Hamme. One fee, held by the heirs of Thomas Elys of Sandwich and the prior of the Friars Preachers of Childrenlangle.
Berfreiston. Half a fee, held by the heirs of John de Soles.
Pysynge. Half a fee, held by the abbot of St Radegund.
Southpopleshale. Half a fee, held by Richard de Home.
Pysynge. Half a knight's fee, held by the master of the hospital of the Domus Dei, Dover.
Norton, Newenham, Fisshbourne, Herteye, Pysynge and Sholonde. Eight knights' fees, held by John Chaumpaygne and the heirs of Alexander de Skonyngton.
Bykenore and Pysynge. One knight's fee, held by the heirs of Roger de Northwode, knight.
Morston by Sydyngbourne and Hurst by Faversham. One knight's fee and a fourth part of a fee, held by the heirs of John Devereux, knight, and of Bartholomew de Morston.
Tunstall. One knight's fee, held by Robert Knolles, knight.
Kyngesdoune and Tonge. Five knights' fees and a moiety of a fee, held by the heirs of Giles de Badlesmere.
Ailnodynton. One knight's fee, held by the heirs of Mabel de Alynton, of John de Bikenore, of John Geryn, of John atte Pende and of William Berghstede.
She died on 16 October last. Heir as above, aged 36 years and more.

Writ, 19 October, 17 Richard II
394 Sussex. Inq. taken at Cicestre, Thursday the feast of St Edmund the King, 17 Richard II.
She held the under-mentioned manors and advowson in fee tail.
Bernham. The manor, held of the king by service of a moiety of a knight's fee, as of the fee of Robert de Monte Alto.
Myddelton. The manor, with the advowson of the church, held of the king by service of a moiety of a knight's fee, as of the fee of Robert de Monte Alto.
Wodecote. The manor, held of the king by service of a fiftieth part of a knight's fee as of the fee [of Robert] de Monte Alto.
Date of death as last above. Heir as above, aged 28 years and more.

Writ, 19 October, 17 Richard II
395 Hants. Inq. (indented) taken at Basyngstoke, Monday, 1 December, 17 Richard II.
She held the under-mentioned manors of Basyngge and Bromlegh for life by gift and grant of Stephen Pechard, William Calwe, William Mundy, and Henry Prout made to her with the king's licence, the reversion after her death belonging to Thomas Ponyngges, knight, her son and Joan his wife and the heirs of his body, and in default of such heirs to his right heirs.
She held the remaining under-mentioned manors, advowsons and bailiwick in her demesne as of fee.
Shirbourne St John. The manor, with the advowson of the church and the advowson of the priory of Monks Shirbourne.
Chauton. The manor, with the advowson of the church.
Basyngge and Bromlegh. The manors.
All the above manors are held of the king in chief by service of a sixth part of a barony.
Pambere. The bailiwick of keeping the king's forest, held of the king in chief by service of paying 10s. yearly at the Exchequer by the hands of the sheriff.
Warneford. The manor, with the advowson of the church.
Abboteston. The manor, with the advowson of the church.
Lhudeshute. The manor.
The last three manors etc. are held of the abbot of Hyde by knight's service.
Date of death and heir as above (Kent inquisition).
C. Ric. II File 82 (1)
E. Enrolments etc. of Inq. No. 297 (Warwick)
E. Enrolments etc. of Inq. No. 300 (Berks)
E. Enrolments etc. of Inq. No. 302 (Sussex)

Research Notes:

"Luke Poynings, chivaler; sum. 1368-73 as Baron St. John; ob. circ. 1385" married "Isabella, sis. and co-h. of Edmund Lord St. John of Basing, wo of Henry Burghersh; ob. 16 Oct. 1393 (Inq. p. m." [2] Their daughter Johanna married "Henry de Ferrers, 4th Baron Ferrers, of Groby. Their son "Sir Thomas Poynings, de St. John, chivaler; aet. 36 and upw. at death of his mother; ob. 7 March 1429; bu at Boxgrove" married Joan, d. of Roger, Lord Strange; ob. 1398, 1st wife." [3]

Complete Peerage states, [4]

Luke de Poynings, a younger br. of Michael (de Poynings),(i) 1st Lord Poynings, in Mar. 1348/9 obtained seisin of a moiety of the lands of Edmund de St. John (Lord St. John of Basing) as the inheritance of his wife.(j) He was a knight by Oct. 1353.(k) In Apr. 1358 he was preparing to go abroad, and he took 10 men-at-arms overseas in the King's service in 1370.(a) He was sum. to Parl, from 24 Feb. (1367/8) 42 Edw. Ill to 20 Jan. (1375/6) 49 Edw. Ill, by writs directed Luce de Ponynges, whereby he is held to have become Lord Poynings. He was Keeper of the forest of Pamber, Hants, in Mar. 1368/9, (b) and later was named in sundry commissions in that county.(c) He m., before 29 Jan. 1348/9, (d) Isabel, yr. da. of Hugh
de St. John (Lord St. John of Basing) and eventually sole heir of her
brother Edmund, and widow of Henry de Burghersh (d. Nov. 1348).(e)
He d. between 5 June and 4 July 1376.(f) Isabel d. Oct. 1393.(g)

(i) See ante, p. 660, note "g."
(j) Cal. Close Rolls, 1 349—54, p. 12. The other moiety, including Basing, came to them in Mar. 1361/2, after the deaths of her sister Margaret (de St. Philibert) and her son John (Cal. Fine Rolls, vol. vii, p. 211; Cal. Inq. p. m., vol. xi, no. 195).
(k) Cal. Close Rolls, 1349-54, p. 621.
(a) Cal. Patent Rolls, 1358-61, p. 32; Devon, Issue Roll of T. Brantingham, p. 486. Dugdale (Baronage vol. ii, p. 136) cites Treaty Rolls, 33 & 43 Edw. Ill, for Sir Luke's being in the wars of France in those years.
(b) Cal. Close Rolls, 1369-74, p. 14.
(c) Cal. Patent Rolls, 1370-74, pp. 103, 120; 1374-77, pp. 139, 153, 332.
(d) Idem, 1348-50, p. 311.
(e) Cal. Inq. p. m., vol. ix, no. 241. Henry was yr. s. of Bartholomew (de Burghersh), Lord Burghersh, by Elizabeth, da. and coh. of Sir Theobald de Verdon (Cal. Close Rolls, 1343-46, p. 250; ante., vol. ii, p. 426).
(f) The dates of the execution and probate of his will, which he made as Lord de St. John (Wykeharn's Register, Hants Rec. Soc, vol. ii, pp. 256—58), directing burial at Warnford. He evidently used a title which was not officially allowed him. In the returns of assignment of dower in 1371 to the widow of William de Ferrers of Groby (Cal. Close Rolls, 1369-74, pp. 348, 350, 354, 355) Luke is referred to as
Lord de St. John—obviously quoting his letters of attorney to his representatives in attendance—but the grant of the custody of the lands of William de Ferrers, which made it necessary for him to send those representatives (Cal. Fine Rolls, vol. viii, p. 109), was made to him simply as Luke de Poninges. In a licence to his widow, 16 Oct. 1390, to make a settlement of Basing and other St. John property, she is called widow of Luke de Poninges, domina de Sancto Johanne (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1388-92, p. 312); in accordance with the custom of the time, she would presumably use the name of St. John in the relevant deeds, as an heiress dealing with St. John property. Her son and heir Thomas, after her death, evidently called himself Lord St. John (e.g. in his will); he is so styled in documents emanating from the King's Chancery, but these necessarily quote his description (as party to an action), which was governed by what he called himself (Idem, 1405-08, pp. 130, 131). Finally the fruitless effort for recognition of his claim to the title appears to have been abated into adoption of St. John
as an alternative surname—in 1394 Thomas Ponynges Seint Johan, kt. (Cal. Close Rolls, 1392-96, p. 255); in 1402 he petitioned the Pope as Thomas Ponyngis, Lord of Seyntjon alias de Sancto Johanne (Cal. Papal Letters, vol. iv, p. 353); in 1400, in a licence issuing from the Chancery, Thomas Ponynges otherwise called Seynt John (Cal. Close Rolls, 1 399-1402, p. 237); after his death writs out of the Chancery refer to him as Thomas Ponynges de Sancto Johanne (Cal. Fine Rolls, vol. xv, pp. 236, 237, 287, 300). The inq. p. m. of his son Hugh calls him Hugh de Sancto Johanne alone (Ch. Inq. p. m., 7 Hen. VI, no. 34); the writ for the inq. p. m. of Thomas's widow calls her Maud de Sancto Johanne (Cal. Fine Rolls, vol. xix, p. 3).
(g) Ch. Inq. p. m., 17 Ric. II, no. 45. She was a benefactress of the priory of Christ Church, Hants (Cal. Patent Rolls, 1391-96, p. 152; Inq. ad q. d., file 418/9).


Footnotes:

[1] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 17, 15-23 Richard II, (London: HMSO, 1988), 164-167, [BritishHistoryOnline].

[2] Thomas Agar Holland, "Poynings," Sussex Archaeological Collections 15 (1863), 1-56 at 15, [GoogleBooks].

[3] Thomas Agar Holland, "Poynings," Sussex Archaeological Collections 15 (1863), 1-56 at 17, [GoogleBooks].

[4] George E. Cokayne, H. A. Doubleday, Howard de Walden, eds., The Complete Peerage, rev., Vol. 10, Oakham to Richmond (London: St. Catherine Press, 1945), 665.