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"In 1204 or 1205 Ralph de Argosis gave Newton Solney to his younger brother Alured de Solenneia. John de Solney, the last male descendent of this line, died in 1390. The manor and lands were divided among perhaps as many as four co-heiresses: Alice wife of Sir Thomas Stafford, Agnes wife of Edmund de Appleby, Ermentrewe wife of Robert (sometimes called Ralph) Lathbury, and Margery wife of Sir Nicholas Longford." [1] [2]

1320/21 Jan. 13 - 20. Westminster. Within Octave of S. Hilary, 14 Edward II. Between Laurence Trussel, Plaintiff, and Alured de Sulney and Margery his wife. Deforciants (by Richard de Boudon their attorney). Concerning the Manor of Newton Sulney with the appurtenances, whence the plea of convention. Alured recognises the right of the plaintitf to the manor, etc., as that which he had of the deforciants. For this recognition, fine, and concord, Laurence conceded to Alured and Margaret the said manor, and surrendered it to them in the same court, having and holding the same to the said Alured and Margaret and the heirs of their bodies of the chief lord of the fee by the services appertaining, to remain to the right heirs of Alured [de Sulney] and Margaret. (No. 120.) [3]

1323-24 Jan. 13 - 20. Westminster. In the octave nf S. Hillary, 17 Edward II. Between John, son of "William del Burwes. plaintiff, and Roger le Saueney and Agnes his wife. Deforciants. Grant by deforciants to plaintiff on the plea of convention of 1 messuage, 4 virgates of land, and 6 acres of wood, in Newton Solney to be held of the chief lords of the fee. (Endorsed "Aluredus de Sulney apponit clameum suum.'") (No. 146.) [4]

Shirland "Reginald, having put himself in the great assize, Thomas de Moungoye, John Fannell, Henry FitzHerbert, and Henry de Appleby, four knights, were summoned to choose the twelve jurymen, and they elected Ralph de Grey, Ivo de Gousell, Robert Sacheverelle, Ralph de Waddesley, Hugh de Strelley, Simon Basset, Alfred de Sulney, Geoffry de Gresley, John Grim, Roger de Yerkington, John Fannell, Henry FitzHerbert, Hen. de Appleby, John de Hotham, and Richard de Scatton." [5]

Research Notes:

Sir Alured de Solney of Newton Solney married Margaret dau of Sir John Trussell [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2005-08/1124372011]

"What is not immediately clear to me is where Margaret Trussell, wife of Sir Alured de Solney, fits in. She is said (see posts in the archives) to have been the daughter (and heir) of Sir John Trussell of Cubbleston by his wife Eleanor. She was the heir of Elizabeth Freville nee Trussell, granddaughter and heir of William Trussell. It would seem that she was the daughter of John, marked as (2a) above, but I have yet to locate primary evidence confirming this. MA-R" [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2007-09/1189870114]

"Rosie Bevan, A Study of A Medieval Knightly Family: The Longfords of Derbyshire, Part 1, Foundations, Vol. 1, Number 4, July 2004, pps 211-231. I think she [Margaret Trussell] is thought to be daughter of Sir John and niece of the William who married Maud Mainwaring. Doug Smith" [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2007-09/1189896811]

"Her father John is said to have been succeeded at Cublesdon (apparently under a male-line entail) by his brother William (Every of Eggington papers, Derbyshire RO, D5236/9/6). However, this source also states that Margaret Sulney nee Trussell was her uncle William's eventual heir. It is explained that this happened on the death without issue of Elizabeth, wife of Baldwin Freville. Elizabeth was the daughter and heir of Katherine Trussell (who married her cousin Sir Amery Trussell), who was in turn daughter and heir of William Trussell, said to be the brother of Margaret's father John. If John's brother William is the William who married Maud Mainwaring, then his issue did not become extinct on the death of Elizabeth Freville, and thus Margaret Sulney, if she came from a collateral branch, cannot have been his heir. It seems to me that the account of the family in the 1580 Visitation of Cheshire is largely consistent with the primary records I have seen so far. This states that William of Cublesdon, the plaintiff in 1368 and grandfather of Elizabeth Freville, was the eldest son of Sir John Trussell, himself eldest son of the William who married Maud Mainwaring. This is agreeable with some of the other material about William - e.g. the Chester Plea Roll reference (33 Edward III #67) which refers to him as "William, son and heir of Sir John Trussell of Cublesdon", having letters of protection for travelling to foreign parts in the retinue of the Prince of Wales; this is dated 27 October 1359. His is also thus styled in the Patent Rolls of 7 July 1347 (allegation of involvement in rape and murder). I therefore wonder whether Margaret Sulney was the sister of this William, son of Sir John Trussell, whose three younger brothers (John, Fulk and Warin) appear to have died without issue. MA-R" [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2007-09/1189926595]

"Further muddying the waters are the two statements: 1. That Margaret Pembridge, daughter of William Trussell, was the "cousin and heir" of William Trussell of Cublesdon, knight [IPM 2 November 2 Henry IV as quoted in the Chester Plea Rolls. 2. That Margaret Sulney, daughter of Sir John Trussell, was the heir of Elizabeth Freville, granddaughter and heir of William Trussell (brother of John). I wonder whether the answer is to be found in the loss of lands suffered by William Trussell, son of Sir John Trussell of Cubblesdon, in 21 Edward III, as a result of his felony-conviction for rape and murder (PRO E 199/38/24)? Perhaps Cublesdon, at least, was acquired after this loss by his uncle, William Trussell, the father of Margaret Pembridge. This would explain how this William is described as "of Cublesdon", for instance in 29-31 Edward III, when he rendered his accounts as Constable of Odiham (E 101/27/3); it was probably the elder William who was decribed as "of Cubblesdon" in January 1348/9, when he exchanged lands apparently acquired from his stepfather Oliver (second husband of Maud Mainwaring) for the manor of Eton Hastings (E40/153). Thus, following his death on 20 June 37 Edward III, his daughter Margaret Pembridge could be said to be the heir (ie successor?) of her cousin William, son of John. This heirship might also be explained by the fact that John of Cubblesdon seems to have married twice, as referred to in the Cheshire Visitation. If his son William, the felon of 1347, was by the first marriage, and the other three sons named in the Cheshire Plea Roll entry of 42 Edward III were by the second marriage, then a cousin of the whole blood (Margaret Pembridge) would inherit to the exclusion of the half-siblings by the second marriage. In this scenario, however, we are left with the apparent problem that Margaret Sulney, possibly a sister of William the felon, was said to be heir of the latter's granddaughter Elizabeth Freville - a contradiction to the statement that Margaret Pembridge was his heir. MA-R" [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2007-09/1189937903]

"You are right there are a number of conflicts here, and with the Visitation of Cheshire, (1580). One problem is the Visitation says a Sir John m. (1st) nn Butler of Wem and (2nd) nn (Strange or Savage). As I understand it, it was a Sir William who married 2nd Ida le Boteler of Wem. Their son Sir William is shown as m. nn dau. of Hugh Venables of Kinderton and having the dau. Katherine who m. Sir Aimery Trussell. This second Sir William's half-sister is shown as the Margaret who m. Fulk Pembrugge. If one of the Trussels lost lands through a conviction and the lands were awarded to a relative, then you are right that creates more of a muddle. I am not sure how to resolve these conflicts at the moment. Doug Smith" [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2007-09/1189956594]


Footnotes:

[1] Isaac Herbert Jeayes for Sir Henry Howe Bemrose, Descriptive catalogue of Derbyshire charters in public and private libraries and muniment rooms (London: Bemrose & Sons, 1906), 220, item 1753, [GoogleBooks], [HathiTrust], [InternetArchive].

[2] The National Archives of the United Kingdom Catalog, citing papers deposited in Derby Local Studies Library and given the reference number DL 19, [UKNationalArchives].

[3] Arthur Cox, ed, "Pedes Finium for the County of Derby," Journal of the Derbyshire Archaeological and Natural History Society 18 (1896), 1-17, at 8, [InternetArchive].

[4] Arthur Cox, ed, "Pedes Finium for the County of Derby," Journal of the Derbyshire Archaeological and Natural History Society 18 (1896), 1-17, at 16, [InternetArchive].

[5] Charles Kerry, "Gleanings from the Assize Rolls for Derbyshire," Journal of the Derbyshire Archaeological and Natural History Society 18 (1896), 94-117, at 106, [InternetArchive].