BTRVETC-L Digest Volume 99 : Issue 33 4 Jul 1999 Today's Topics: Re: Yahoo/GeoCities Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA Re: Yahoo/GeoCities Yahoo/GeoCities Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA Will of Francis Turner, d. 1804 Patrick Co. VA FWD: William Burnett m. Margaret Finch, Campbell Co. VA, USA, 1818 Administrivia: for the Burnett/Turner/Ross/Via/Etc Mailing List (BTRVETC-L) Post your queries to: btrvetc-l@genealogy.org (that's a lowercase ell, not a number one.) To unsubscribe, email btrvetc-d-request@genealogy.org with the SUBJECT: UNSUBSCRIBE. To subscribe to the regular list, email btrvetc-l-request@genealogy.org with the SUBJECT: SUBSCRIBE You can also use the web page at: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/BTRVETC/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:49:40 -0400 From: "J.R.Burnett" To: "BTRVETC-L" Subject: Re: Yahoo/GeoCities Message-ID: <004f01bec36c$608d2660$780bfbd1@burnett.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like a good time to boycott Yahoo. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:21:25 -0500 From: Eddie Vaden To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA Message-ID: <377AECC5.A75A935C@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Becky, I am one of the people that have 10 children listed for James Turner & Mary of Bedford Co., VA, including Francis, Adam, etc.. This came about after much discussion on this list. "According to a published genealogy cira 1940 by Walter Hopkins of Richmond, VA and others at about the same time, James' line came from England and apparently was not related to the John/Shadrack line of Patrick and Henry Counties, Virginia which were believed from Scotland. However, more recent research in the Caroline County Order Books leads several researchers to connect the families." - David Jones (David Jones resides in Vinton, VA, I think, but I can't find his e-mail address.) I don't have the info from the Caroline County Order Books that is referred to above, but that might be a location for us to research. It does seem odd that James would not have deeded land to 4 of his sons, but I have seen in many wills where a child would be bequeathed 1 dollar "Plus whatever had been given him previously" but with no records being found of any land being deeded to him. Was it possible that any of the 4 had died prior to 1761? Or married and moved to other locations? Do you by any chance have a photocopy or scan of Francis Turner's will? If so, I would love to have a copy.. Also do you have photos of the pages of Adam Turner's Bible (Francis Turner's son)? Eddie Vaden in Nashville, TN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:36:24 -0400 From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" To: "BTRVETC-L" Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA Message-ID: <005e01bec3c1$717a56a0$c7f463ce@ekirkman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would also like a copy of the will and the Bible record if one is available. I have transcipts of the Caroline County Order Book pages. And I'd like to comment that back in that day and time, according to English law, the eldest son usually enherited the estate. In order to assure that each child would have his part, the father would give either land or money to those younger sons who would have otherwise gotten very little. Eunice B. Kirkman ***** ekirkman@swva.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Eddie Vaden To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA > Do you by any chance have a photocopy or scan of Francis Turner's will? > If so, I would love to have a copy.. Also do you have photos of the > pages of Adam Turner's Bible (Francis Turner's son)? > > Eddie Vaden in Nashville, TN > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:49:11 -0400 From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" To: "BTRVETC-L" Subject: Re: Yahoo/GeoCities Message-ID: <006001bec3c1$84764340$c7f463ce@ekirkman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yahoo: Your Homestead's Your Own by Declan McCullagh 4:30 p.m. 30.Jun.99.PDT In response to a boycott and criticism from outraged customers, Yahoo late Wednesday abandoned rules that had given it eternal ownership of all GeoCities Web sites. "We're seeing how we can clarify our intentions, given the recent outcry," said Tim Brady, Yahoo vice president of production. The new terms of service, which took effect 3 p.m. PST Wednesday after executives spent the morning huddling with lawyers, now stress that "Yahoo does not own content you submit." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: jbbork To: BTRVETC List Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:03 PM Subject: Yahoo/GeoCities > Just read the news that Yahoo now owns GeoCities and claims it owns all > web pages, articles, and images on member sites and has "irrevocable" > rights to them for all time. Your GeoCities web site is no longer your > own. > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:59:36 -0400 From: "_Mitosis_" To: "List Bedford" Cc: "List Turner" , "List Franklin" , "List Floyd" , "List Btrvetc" Subject: Yahoo/GeoCities Message-ID: <003a01bec404$c59d82a0$d8f3e4ce@mitosis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 3:00 a.m. 29.Jun.99.PDT If you're a GeoCities homesteader, be warned: Your Web site is no longer your own. Yahoo, which launched its Yahoo-GeoCities site Monday, says it owns all Web pages, articles, and images on member sites and has "irrevocable" rights to them for all time. (Interpretation: We'll steal it all and use for our commercial gain) -------------------------------------------------- 4:30 p.m. 30.Jun.99.PDT In response to a boycott and criticism from outraged customers, Yahoo late Wednesday abandoned rules that had given it eternal ownership of all GeoCities Web sites. "We're seeing how we can clarify our intentions, given the recent outcry," said Tim Brady, Yahoo vice president of production. (I really love that word... 'clarify') The new terms of service, which took effect 3 p.m. PST Wednesday after executives spent the morning huddling with lawyers, now stress that "Yahoo does not own content you submit." (Interpretation: Hum... let's get the pro's in here and see how we can lie our why out of this mess... what?, oh hell yes... continue the archive, I can always sell the mail list to Porn and Spam dudes) ----------------------------------------------------- _Mitosis_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:35:54 EDT From: JJBB343@aol.com To: btrvetc-l@genealogy.org (BTRVETC-L) Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eddie and Eunice, I wish I could say that I have actual photocopies of Francis Turner's will and the Adam Turner Bible records, but I'm afraid all I have are transcripts from the notes in people's gedcoms and what was transcribed from the Turner Bible in a compilation in this list's archives. (I don't have the compilation number just now, I'm sorry...I am disorganized at the best of times and right now I seem to be in a slump! :{ ) Is it Ann Hughes who originally transcribed the Bible data for the list? (I believe the Bible itself is/was in the possession of her cousin?) Thanks very much to you both for your feedback re: my Turner quandary. I know that a lot of work had been done (and is still being done!) on these various Turners who keep popping up in the same vicinity, and there is evidence to prove that they are all somehow connected. For some reason, though, that Presbyterian connection plus the Edinburgh-published Bible keeps sticking in my craw. (Maybe the Bible originally belonged to the Scots-Irish family of Adam Turner's wife, Mary Nancy Pilson?) In any case, I have received several possible explanations for why Old James Turner would omit four sons from his deeds of gift, and they have all given me some hearty food for thought. Thanks again! Becky Olenchak jjbb343@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:19:27 -0400 From: "Eunice B. Kirkman" To: "BTRVETC-L" Subject: Re: Children of James and Mary Turner of Bedford Co VA Message-ID: <001501bec421$7d439ae0$93ac99ce@ekirkman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Thanks very much to you both for your feedback re: my Turner quandary. I > know that a lot of work had been done (and is still being done!) on these > various Turners who keep popping up in the same vicinity, and there is > evidence to prove that they are all somehow connected. For some reason, > though, that Presbyterian connection plus the Edinburgh-published Bible keeps > sticking in my craw. (Maybe the Bible originally belonged to the Scots-Irish > family of Adam Turner's wife, Mary Nancy Pilson) Perhaps the bible was simply published in Edinburgh and was imported into the colonies. The fact that it was published there really means nothing unless it actually says in the Bible itself that Adam, or his parents, were born there. Most of our best books were published in either Scotland or England in the early years. Eunice B. Kirkman ***** ekirkman@swva.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:29:37 EDT From: JJBB343@aol.com To: btrvetc-l@genealogy.org Subject: Will of Francis Turner, d. 1804 Patrick Co. VA Message-ID: <7c02e775.24ad61f1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would've sent this a little earlier today but my pc crashed on me again. :{ I still can't find the compilation that included the Adam Turner Bible data, sorry to say, but I did find this xerox from "Abstracts of Wills, Inventories & Accounts -- Patrick Co. VA 1791-1823" by Lela C. Adams, p.17 (and I hope I am not breaking any copyright laws by submitting it!): Will Book I pg 73 Date: 1 Oct 1803 Item: Will of Francis Turner, being in perfect sense but weak in body.... I give and lend unto my well beloved wife during her natural lifetime, the land and plantation I now live on lying below a line beginning at a small branch south of Smith River at Thomas Flower's corner to Burnetts Santee place,also all the slaves and their increase excepting Bolin. To my daughter Esther Pilson to have the twenty two pounds her husband William Pilson owes me for a mare, also to have a hundred pounds bond due me from Rowan and Scott. If Bolin is living at my death, he is to be sold and the price of him equally divided between the children of the said daughter. Son Adam Turner, one negro, my still and all vessells and at his Mothers death one negro girl. I lend him a negro boy until his son Francis arrives at the age of 21, then to him. If Francis should die, then sell him and divide the money amongst his brother and sisters. To son James Turner, the original survey he now lives on (175 acres) also 2 tracts in Montgomery County containing 399 acres, and at his Mothers death three slaves. To my son John Turner, the part of the tract I now live on lying above the line described earlier, two negros at his Mothers death, and I lend him 1 negro until his son Francis reaches age 21. To my sons Adam, James and John Turner and my son-in-law Robert Rowan all that part of land lying on the Blue Ridge except 250 acres belonging to Robert Rowan. This contains 1223 acres and to be equally divided. To my daugter Betsy Rowan at her mothers death all the aprt of the plantation that was to my wife. To my dear wife during her natural lifetime all the house furniture, farming tools with all stock that be on hand after Esther Pilson is paid. I leave ten pounds cash to support supplies or members of the Old Presbyterian Denomination at $4.00 per year. Executors: sons Adam, James and John Turner. Witness: William J. Mayo, Bennet Houchins, William Hancock, Richard Thomas and Alexander Lacky. Returned Oct Ct 1804 I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but it's the fact that Francis was evidently a practicing Presbyterian that bothers me in terms of his possibly being of English birth. (Of course, I guess he could have been a convert?) I hope everyone has a happy and blessed Independence Day! Becky Olenchak jjbb343@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Christine Gaunt To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Subject: FWD: William Burnett m. Margaret Finch, Campbell Co. VA, USA, 1818 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Folks, Julie Busse is hunting for more info on this Burnett family. If anyone can help her, please reply to webusse@uswest.net, as she is not on our mailing list. Chris Christine Gaunt, cgaunt@umich.edu or gaunt@genealogy.org Campbell-L and BTRVETC-L listowner Co-compiler of Genealogy Resources on the Internet http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/gen_int1.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:48:44 -0600 From: Julie Busse To: cgaunt@umich.edu Subject: Burnett I'm new to genealogy by internet, so if I have misunderstood your research interest, ignore this. I am trying to find more information on the family of William Burnett. He married Margaret Finch in Campbell Co. VA in 1818, lived in Miami County, Indiana, moved to Holt County MO in about 1846, and died there in 1856. 1840 Census in Indiana indicates there were 9 children, of which 3 are known - James, Sarah Ann (marr Isaac Iddings) and William (marr Isabela Boland). I can't find him in the 1850 census anywhere. If you respond, use email address webusse@uswest.net Thanks , Julie Busse -------------------------------- End of btrvetc-d Digest V99 Issue #33 *************************************